Pwcc Csg partnership

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

My take is in the eyes of some of you pwcc can do no right and rea and others can do no wrong. You jump on pwcc regularly and for whatever reason gave rea a free pass. Things aren’t so black and white. Also, childish posts. For someone who takes pride in not being on Facebook you’d fit in well there.

This is a thread about PWCC. Why would I dump on REA (you refuse to even say what I'm supposed to be critical of, I don't see REA running a fraud ring) instead in a thread specifically about PWCC?

This is the stupidest sequence of shitposts I've read in awhile.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

This is a thread about PWCC. Why would I dump on REA (you refuse to even say what I'm supposed to be critical of, I don't see REA running a fraud ring) instead in a thread specifically about PWCC?

This is the stupidest sequence of shitposts I've read in awhile.

Yeah I agree you have contributed to a bunch of shitposts.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Yeah I agree you have contributed to a bunch of shitposts.

At least I've said a logical, coherent take on the subject, while you consistently refuse to do so. The shills used to be a lot better.

[Exhibitman]

Don't you people have lives?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Don't you people have lives?

No.

[Mjpadilla84]

I've used PWCC for the past few years with no issues whatsoever. It's a nice alternative to store my high value cards instead of putting them in a bank vault plus the tax break of having them shipped to Oregon. I can look at my collection with high res pictures anytime on my phone or computer. Every auction house including ebay have shill bidding going on, it's impossible to avoid completely. PWCC may of had it going on more so than others but they took steps to improve with the new platform. PWCC fixed price cards are high but with their auctions I can sometimes get good deals on cards. Just my two cents on PWCC, I know a lot here feel strongly against them.

[steve B]

A mixed collection of thoughts reading all this. presented in no particular order.

IF I was starting a grading/authenticating company...
1) Getting a bunch of cards done quickly to build enough population to make a registry meaningful would be important.

2) While partnering with a sketchy dealer might be bad PR, my approach might be "Send me your best fakes, I'll find them"
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As far as the sketchy dealer, in this case PWCC.
I may not recall the details right, but I had the impression they didn't do their own altering?
But its certain they at a minimum tolerated it and probably encouraged it. And probably helped by making the submissions to PSA.

I also believe PSA was in on it. It's hard to believe everyone there was so utterly incompetent. Expecting some flames for that, but I've said that for a long time now.

If those two things don't deserve regular criticism then nothing in the hobby does.

Yes, every place has it's scandals and failures. The difference is in how large and prevalent they are, and how they get handled. One authenticator in a different hobby had a problem when an employee with access to the database would change bad certificates to good for his friends before they got printed. Huge problem, like if PSA graded cards A, and someone went in and made all those into 8s and 9s.
They fired and charged the person responsible, and changed their process and access to the database, from pretty much all employees to only a few.

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The auction thing

I forget who said running an auction with bad software shouldn't happen, but .....Really?!
Pretty much all software fails, some of it more often than others. And the companies can only try to predict how much traffic they will have and arrange enough bandwidth to cover it. Having that constantly available is very expensive. So most companies run some basic level then buy more for times they expect a surge.

Was the ending and it's delays handled well? Maybe maybe not. I'd have to know what the discussion was with tech support, and we'll never get that.

I get that people are mad about not winning stuff, or paying more. But the opposite way of handling a tech problem during an auction is way worse.
One auction I placed internet bids for maybe 10 items. All pretty high bids. With the family budget that meant discussions and being in a bit of a spot if I won them all. Nothing we couldn't handle, but the boss would have required stuff being sold to offset the new stuff.
Anyway, all those items were within the same rough number range. Maybe 75 lots between the first and last?
Checked the next day, and it looked like they all went cheap!
No invoice...
Three days later I asked and was told I didn't win anything?? They'd had a half hour or so internet outage and couldn't access the online bids. So... they just carried on.
Thanks Copake Auction for wasting my time and costing your consignors a bundle. All because you couldn't do something simple like write down the internet bids.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by steve B

As far as the sketchy dealer, in this case PWCC.
I may not recall the details right, but I had the impression they didn't do their own altering?
But its certain they at a minimum tolerated it and probably encouraged it. And probably helped by making the submissions to PSA.

The Blowout gentlemen traced the sales histories of the cards they outed, and tied many of them to being bought by PWCC untrimmed, then trimmed (usually by Moser, or presumably by Moser from the submission records and aerials that connect them to other known Moser trim cards), and sold in a slab via PWCC. It appears they were not turning a blind eye or even just quietly encouraging it, but actually fully complicit in the trimming itself.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by G1911

The Blowout gentlemen traced the sales histories of the cards they outed, and tied many of them to being bought by PWCC untrimmed, then trimmed (usually by Moser, or presumably by Moser from the submission records and aerials that connect them to other known Moser trim cards), and sold in a slab via PWCC. It appears they were not turning a blind eye or even just quietly encouraging it, but actually fully complicit in the trimming itself.

Looks like I understated their involvement. I thought I recalled something like that, but wasn't certain.