"The Scandal" Turns 3

[Johnny630]

The New AI Grading Machine I think is going to be the game changer. I’m glad they’re using it.

[Rich Klein]

Ryan between his book and his videos on you tube is doing great work on helping us find fakes

https://www.amazon.com/Spotting-Fake.../dp/B09MYST97Q

and his you tube chanel

https://www.youtube.com/c/BreakoutSportsCards



Rich

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Ryan between his book and his videos on you tube is doing great work on helping us find fakes

https://www.amazon.com/Spotting-Fake.../dp/B09MYST97Q

and his you tube chanel

https://www.youtube.com/c/BreakoutSportsCards



Rich

Maybe because I do vintage I am less worried about fakes than I am altered. The bulk of bad cards are altered than fake, no?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Maybe because I do vintage I am less worried about fakes than I am altered. The bulk of bad cards are altered than fake, no?

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

And when fakes become a major issue, people will probably bury their head in the flip then too.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And when fakes become a major issue, people will probably bury their head in the flip then too.

100% guaranteed. Reality only matters if people decide reality is what matters and not the narrative. If PSA says it's a 10, it's a 10 no matter if it's trimmed, creased, or was an 8 last week.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

100% guaranteed. Reality only matters if people decide reality is what matters and not the narrative. If PSA says it's a 10, it's a 10 no matter if it's trimmed, creased, or was an 8 last week.

There's a great line by Wallace Stevens I'm fond of quoting: And what we said of it became a part of what it is.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

Agreed which is why I was wondering why a reference was being made to a guy who identifies fakes is on a thread having to do with a massive issue of altered graded cards that seems far from resolved.

[JLange]

I’ve decided that if I’m going to keep collecting cards, that one of the risks is that they might be altered. I won’t knowingly buy a graded card that is trimmed but it just goes with the territory now. I recently purchased a graded card where I had a raw example. The raw card was bigger all around than the graded version. I’m at a point where my expectations are much lower now for TPGs. I only trust that I’m getting an authentic card and not much else.

J@son L@nge