"The Scandal" Turns 3

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by robw1959

Although nothing has changed in the hobby with regard to buying and selling, I think many buyers may still be looking more closely at graded cards, especially PSA cards. I know I do. I do think PSA has adopted a more rigorous grading process to earn that public trust back again, but that's about it.

I saw a great deal of high priced SGC cards listed as being altered on the Blowout threads so the issue seems to be far from isolated to PSA. I am a nothing in the hobby but to those I spoke with about a year ago many of the guys mentioned on Blowout are still submitting to PSA so dunno that PSA has earned the trust back as much as their graded material sells for strong prices...still.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I saw a great deal of high priced SGC cards listed as being altered on the Blowout threads so the issue seems to be far from isolated to PSA. I am a nothing in the hobby but to those I spoke with about a year ago many of the guys mentioned on Blowout are still submitting to PSA so dunno that PSA has earned the trust back as much as their graded material sells for strong prices...still.

Possibly the change in ownership?

[Johnny630]

The New AI Grading Machine I think is going to be the game changer. I’m glad they’re using it.

[Rich Klein]

Ryan between his book and his videos on you tube is doing great work on helping us find fakes

https://www.amazon.com/Spotting-Fake.../dp/B09MYST97Q

and his you tube chanel

https://www.youtube.com/c/BreakoutSportsCards



Rich

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Ryan between his book and his videos on you tube is doing great work on helping us find fakes

https://www.amazon.com/Spotting-Fake.../dp/B09MYST97Q

and his you tube chanel

https://www.youtube.com/c/BreakoutSportsCards



Rich

Maybe because I do vintage I am less worried about fakes than I am altered. The bulk of bad cards are altered than fake, no?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Maybe because I do vintage I am less worried about fakes than I am altered. The bulk of bad cards are altered than fake, no?

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

And when fakes become a major issue, people will probably bury their head in the flip then too.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think there are many cards that are altered and are difficult to discern as altered. I think there are basically no outright fakes that are difficult to discern as outright fakes. There's a ton of fakes, but I've yet to find any that are very difficult to tell are not original cards. I would say altered cards are the problem right now, but fakes may well be the bigger problem long term. It seems almost inevitable that there eventually will be fakes we basically can't tell apart. There's simply too much profit for the first person to manufacture a convincing T206 fake for it not to happen eventually. Someone who can figure out how to use c. 1910 equipment with the right ink and the right stock can create instant retirement money off printing a handful of cards. Considering PSA can't even separate Dover reprints from originals, it seems likely something like this will eventually happen, be authenticated, and be a serious problem for the high rollers.

Agreed which is why I was wondering why a reference was being made to a guy who identifies fakes is on a thread having to do with a massive issue of altered graded cards that seems far from resolved.