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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Pat R

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Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Scott,

Your description of the color error cards is vary similar to
my observations on not only T206 cards: but also N162, 1949
Leaf and Bowman cards. I've already noted my T206 color errors.

In addition, I have an N162 Fred Dunlap (normally GREEN) that
has a YELLOW background. I have 1949 Leaf Ruth & Ted Williams
with PURPLE instead of RED backgrounds. Several more Leafs that
are YELLOW instead of GREEN. And, numerous 1949 Bowmans that
are PINK instead of RED; or YELLOW instead of ORANGE or GREEN.

All the way back to 19th Century color printing, there has al-
ways been a 4 - phase process in color printing. You can still
see this when you get color copies (eg, at Staples). The copier
will scan 4 times for each color copy. To create a deep RED, it
prints a Pink or Orange tint first. To create ORANGE or GREEN
it first prints a Yellow. Now, I do not claim to be an expert
on this, but you can see how these color errors in sports cards
result when an incomplete printing run occurs at the factory.
And, in a rush to get product into the market, these cards slip
by whatever quality control exists at the factory.

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Adam W.

Myths are funny things, usually applied to some ancient Greek
warriors and their exploits. Troy (and the Trojan Horse) were
an outstanding example of a Myth. Until Heinrich Schliemann
defied all odds and discovered Troy approx. 150 years ago and
confirmed a lot of Homer's writings. Nevertheless, this story
is still considered a "myth" by many.

So, I do not understand your criticism of my use of this word
to describe the "broken plate" theory, which has been passed
thru several generations of hobbyist in order to explain why
certain cards are rare.

I'm certainly no expert on printing processes (although I did
have 2 yrs. of Print Class in HS), but I do know that multiple
plates are created in the process of printing. Did you read my
above post where there were multiple plates of the Ted Williams
image in the 1954 Bowman "find" ?

To produce color printing takes at least 4 stages, it is somewhat
of a time consuming process. To mass produce BB cards printers
must create multiple impressions of a given image (multiple plates)
to efficiently do the job and get product out to the market.

Finally, the strip you referred to with Wagner is just a horizontal
strip. The T206's were printed in sheet form (i.e., rows and columns)
My contention (based on information I gleaned back in the early 1980's)
was that Plank was adjacent to Wagner in a column. And, it does not
take much imagination to see how Plank could have been discarded along
with Wagner.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

I fully understand what you refer to as "plate scratches". I've followed your posts regarding your Piedmont 150 analysis.
Furthermore, when I was a teenager, I worked as an apprentice in a print shop and I am familiar with printing practices.

I respect all the time & effort you have put into your T206 project. However, we are now talking about E90-1 cards. E90
cards were printed by a Lithographic firm in Philadelphia (1908-1910). The T206's were printed by American Litho (NYC)
and it's my understanding that state-of-the-art rotary off-set presses were used to print these cards.

I took the trouble of scanning Ebay's current listing of E90-1 cards. There are 178 unique E90-1 cards listed whose backs
are visible in this listing. Only 7 of these cards exhibit "ink streaks"....resulting in 3.9 %.

The grand total (of this group and the group noted in Post #36) is 386 samples. Only 14 of these cards have "ink streaks"
resulting in a mere 3.6 %.

I repeat: such a limited sampling (plus the varying characteristics of the "ink streaks") of these E90-1 cards certainly does
not make for a reliable (or scientific) method for attempting to determine valid sheet layout, or series structure ?


TED Z
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Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

You say "34-card" sheet....and I say "36-card" sheet. I shall repeat.

American Lithograph's small size printing presses had 19-inch track widths, which were sufficiently wide to print 12 cards across the sheet....hence, 36, 48, 72, 96 card sheets.
Therefore, such a sheet with 34 different subjects will have 2 double-prints included to fill-out that sheet. In the SWEET CAP 150 #649 case, my guess is that Johnson & Matty
were double-printed. Just like when TOPPS Hi# sheet (97 different subjects) had Mantle, Robinson, and Thomson double-printed to fill out their 100-card sheet.

In the Southern League case, it's anyone's guess which two players were double-printed. As a teenager, I worked in a Print Shop and I'm very familiar with printing practices.


Come-on Pat, you're nit-picking again..... "I think there were 156 subjects that were printed with 150 back "

I stated.... [B]"There are 155 different subjects"....that does not include the MAGIE error card.


TED Z

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