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03-18-2022, 07:03 PM
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The law referencing the use of a persons photo was, as I recall, a New York State law. It wouldn't have been relevant to T216 but of course very relevant to T206.
I've never been able to find reference in primary source material to Plank being anti-tobacco or vehemently averse to tobacco use. I don't drink, but I'm not anti-alcohol. It's very possible he was, the chain of events posited here may be true, but I've never been able to find any evidence of any of it's points for Plank. If Wagner was not anti-tobacco, he had a good PR agent. He may have done it over money, but he at least made a pretense of being anti-tobacco. 
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03-18-2022, 09:49 PM
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I think Pat’s intro, for myself at least, of the Neal Ball letter has helped me better understand the beginning or roots of the T206 issue on this.
I am leaning toward the Plank withdrawal for anti tobacco stance but still feeling Wagner can be best explained by either compensation or possibly just being incredibly uppity. Wags loved his tobacco and the hall has record of this. He was an avid user of both cigars and chew. The backing of the T206 argument is that he thought cigarettes were “low class” and that cigars and chewing tobacco were somehow better. The Hall has this specific quote attributed to Wagner on his use from 1916 - “Tobacco may shorten a man’s life and interfere with his baseball career but I guess it hasn’t shortened mine a great deal. I have noticed that where a player starts to quit hitting, it will shorten his career a good deal quicker than tobacco.”
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03-18-2022, 10:12 PM
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Great stuff and Thanks Mike(you would've posted this thread)! I just got it going for you! Pat, Ted, Ryan, Sean, all the rest great to hear from y'all!
INSANE INPUT! I wanted to win that Neal Ball inclusion letter myself, along with one of the "ledger pages" if everyone remembers those  Plank issued a "cease and desist" , never had an inclusion letter signed, like Plank.....probabilities are way too high.....all signs point to "YES" Printer jumped the gun on the 350 and were pulled almost immediately.... really cool stuff.... another plate would have been created for the next series(even if the portrait plate broke) I was day dreaming today, of someday a Proof of both showed up one day, of anticipation of a signed inclusion letter and a proof of both going into the 460 series  batting and pitching??
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03-18-2022, 10:12 PM
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omg
Great stuff and Thanks Mike(you would've posted this thread)! I just got it going for you! Pat, Ted, Ryan, Sean, all the rest great to hear from y'all!
INSANE INPUT! I wanted to win that Neal Ball inclusion letter myself, along with one of the "ledger pages" if everyone remembers those Plank issued a "cease and desist" , never had an inclusion letter signed, like Plank.....probabilities are way too high.....all signs point to "YES" Printer jumped the gun on the 350 and were pulled almost immediately.... really cool stuff.... another plate would have been created for the next series(even if the portrait plate broke) I was day dreaming today, of someday a Proof of both showed up one day, of anticipation of a signed inclusion letter and a proof of both going into the 460 series batting and pitching??
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03-19-2022, 06:42 AM
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Plank may have been anti-tobacco but he wasn't as outspoken about it as Wagner. It's easy to find clips of Wagner's stance but I've yet to find anything on Plank.
September 26 1909 Cigarette Pictures Santa_Cruz_Evening_News_Wed__Sep_29__1909_.jpg
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03-21-2022, 09:13 AM
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Wagner died in 1955. It is funny that no one ever asked him about it to get the story straight !
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03-21-2022, 09:19 AM
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