Ebays new certification dealio

Stampsfan · #1 03-12-2022, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC

isn't CSG, the contracted authenticator, actually owned/backed by the same parent company that also owns and operates NGC, PMG, and CGC, the supposed largest coin, paper money, and comic book grading services in the world? Because if so, I wouldn't consider CSG as a "BS no-name grading company", not with that kind of backing/experience/ownership behind them. In fact, the brilliant move to align themselves with the largest online card selling platform in the world is going to give them almost instant recognition, credibility, and acceptance throughout the sports card hobby world. And I specifically used the word "almost" because of people like yourself.

CSG is definitely not some fly-by-night outfit operating out of someone's garage. And so far as I've heard, their pricing and services are so far much better/faster than their biggest competitor that it isn't even close. They are of course going to be playing catch-up to PSA, SGC, and Beckett, but with their grading business experience and obvious business savvy, as demonstrated by their deal with Ebay, they may catching up a lot faster than you think. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually started their own Registry as well.

Trust me, even though you may not be well acquainted with and care much about CSG, I'd bet my last dollar that Nat Turner and his fellow investors in Collectors Universe/PSA know exactly who and what CSG is and what they represent, and care very much about all that.

They do, although quite sparse at the moment. But that is to be expected in these early days for them.
https://www.csgcards.com/registry/

BobC · #2 03-12-2022, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Stampsfan

They do, although quite sparse at the moment. But that is to be expected in these early days for them.
https://www.csgcards.com/registry/

Thanks Bob, did not know they had already set one up. Figured they would though. If there's anyone that looks like they can possibly give PSA a run for their money, it's them. But to do that, they know they'd eventually need a registry to compete. Their hooking up with Ebay as its new card authentication provider is a huge plus for them. And if that program works out well, I can see in the future where they may just expand their service so that if someone who buys a raw card off Ebay wants, they may not just authenticate it, but grade and slab it for the new owner as well. That would at least save the new owner some time, by them not having to wait for the arrival of their new card so they can turn around and send it right back out to a different TPG for grading. Their raw card purchased off Ebay will show up in their mailbox fully graded already. And they'd also save on postage by not having to send their newly purchased card back and forth to a different TPG for grading. You never know.

RCFire82 · #3 03-12-2022, 05:31 AM

So as a raw T206 set builder, when I make an Ebay purchase my card will now be shipped to someone I don't know, opened and handled by that same someone, to be repackaged and shipped out again? Yeah, what could go wrong there?

Gorditadogg · #4 03-12-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RCFire82

So as a raw T206 set builder, when I make an Ebay purchase my card will now be shipped to someone I don't know, opened and handled by that same someone, to be repackaged and shipped out again? Yeah, what could go wrong there?

I give up. What?

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jayshum · #5 03-12-2022, 08:57 AM

Maybe they could make everyone happy (although I doubt that's possible) and make the authentication service available as an option for purchases above a certain price instead of requiring it. Then the buyer can decide if they want to take their chance with their own judgement of a card or get another opinion by someone who can actually look at the card in person.

bnorth · #6 03-12-2022, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I give up. What?

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Besides the USPS getting another chance to lose it. The handler could rip the card in half, add tape, use a hole punch on it, trim it, recolor a bad spot, wad it up in their hand, this list could go on and on with examples.

icurnmedic · #7 03-12-2022, 09:47 AM

I like the idea.

To me,it adds a level of protection for the buyer..
Simply put, the physical item will have to be shipped and not some phantom package where it becomes one word vs another..
Of course with all the buyer protection that is probably a moot point.

Clutch-Hitter · #8 03-15-2022, 08:11 AM

Sold a 1928 Fro Joy crack fielder #6.

It went to CSG, authenticated and sent to buyer in the authentication packaging.

Buyer sent it back to CSG for grading (they don’t yet have this size holder), so the card was returned to him “service unavailable”.

He then filed a claim with Ebay that the card didn’t match the description and photos and is returning the Ruth.

“This card was sent to CSG in their own box and they refused to authenticate the card! CSG and Ebay have created an issue here. Not my fault and not the seller s fault. I called up and they said they do NOT authenticate Froyo cards. So now I have a card that cannot be authenticated.”

Again, they don’t have that size holder.

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Stampsfan · #9 03-16-2022, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Bob, did not know they had already set one up. Figured they would though. If there's anyone that looks like they can possibly give PSA a run for their money, it's them. But to do that, they know they'd eventually need a registry to compete. Their hooking up with Ebay as its new card authentication provider is a huge plus for them. And if that program works out well, I can see in the future where they may just expand their service so that if someone who buys a raw card off Ebay wants, they may not just authenticate it, but grade and slab it for the new owner as well. That would at least save the new owner some time, by them not having to wait for the arrival of their new card so they can turn around and send it right back out to a different TPG for grading. Their raw card purchased off Ebay will show up in their mailbox fully graded already. And they'd also save on postage by not having to send their newly purchased card back and forth to a different TPG for grading. You never know.

Personally I would love to see this process operate as you have described. Your idea of "buy raw and receive it slabbed" would make great sense on several levels, but especially for us collectors up in Canada. To get a card shipped to us, then sent back to get graded, we have to deal with customs and charges twice. I( and other Canadian collectors) would love to cut that down by half.

Regardless, the idea of getting a slabbed card back is appealing.

FWIW, I do look at some of the hockey cards on PWCC (I know, boo, hiss), and tonight I saw more CSG graded hockey cards than I've ever seen. Here s hoping someone can take on PWCC, although I suspect with their new warehouse, PSA will eventually be slabbing more cards than ever.

BobC · #10 03-16-2022, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Personally I would love to see this process operate as you have described. Your idea of "buy raw and receive it slabbed" would make great sense on several levels, but especially for us collectors up in Canada. To get a card shipped to us, then sent back to get graded, we have to deal with customs and charges twice. I( and other Canadian collectors) would love to cut that down by half.

Regardless, the idea of getting a slabbed card back is appealing.

FWIW, I do look at some of the hockey cards on PWCC (I know, boo, hiss), and tonight I saw more CSG graded hockey cards than I've ever seen. Here s hoping someone can take on PWCC, although I suspect with their new warehouse, PSA will eventually be slabbing more cards than ever.

When I made that observation about how such a service would save the buyer time and shipping costs, I forgot about how much more beneficial that would be for you guys North of the border. And it would likely apply to any other international sales as well.

I'm thinking CSG and Ebay have been talking and planning together for a lot longer than we may have expected. And if CSG can really get their Registry going, and keep their lower grading costs and much faster turnaround times than PSA in place, I can see a lot of collectors really start using them. The cost and time savings alone is huge, but think of this. A newer collector that likes the Registry idea, and wants to get into it, doesn't have to compete against all the big time collections on PSA. In other words, someone starting out right now could realistically have a top ten rated set on CSG's registry, whereas, they may not be able to even crack the top 25 or 50, or even more, sets on PSA's registry. And I sincerely doubt anyone on PSA's Registry is going to suddenly look to cross any sets over to CSG.

jayshum · #11 03-16-2022, 07:13 AM

Is a registry for CSG really possible or practical? Are there enough raw, high grade vintage cards from enough sets still out there for CSG to grade so that multiple people would have a realistic chance to put together sets for a registry?

bnorth · #12 03-16-2022, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

Is a registry for CSG really possible or practical? Are there enough raw, high grade vintage cards from enough sets still out there for CSG to grade so that multiple people would have a realistic chance to put together sets for a registry?

That's not a problem, there are more high grade vintage cards showing up every day.

Snowman · #13 03-25-2022, 04:11 PM

I just had a vintage card purchase fail eBay's authentication process. The card has a very large and obvious wax stain on the back too. Which the seller clearly shows and mentions. It also has a very slight diamond cut to it, which is common with these. It's definitely not a fake card. This should be interesting.

Snowman · #14 03-25-2022, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jayshum

Is a registry for CSG really possible or practical? Are there enough raw, high grade vintage cards from enough sets still out there for CSG to grade so that multiple people would have a realistic chance to put together sets for a registry?

No. Definitely not.

It reminds me of when Google tried to compete with Facebook by creating a social media Google+ network. Nobody used it because everyone they knew and wanted to interact with was using Facebook. And despite Google having nearly endless capital to promote the project and massive name recognition already, it was doomed to fail right from the start.

npa589 · #15 04-08-2022, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Bob, did not know they had already set one up. Figured they would though. If there's anyone that looks like they can possibly give PSA a run for their money, it's them. But to do that, they know they'd eventually need a registry to compete. Their hooking up with Ebay as its new card authentication provider is a huge plus for them. And if that program works out well, I can see in the future where they may just expand their service so that if someone who buys a raw card off Ebay wants, they may not just authenticate it, but grade and slab it for the new owner as well. That would at least save the new owner some time, by them not having to wait for the arrival of their new card so they can turn around and send it right back out to a different TPG for grading. Their raw card purchased off Ebay will show up in their mailbox fully graded already. And they'd also save on postage by not having to send their newly purchased card back and forth to a different TPG for grading. You never know.

Completely agree regarding the registry. It's baffling to me that SGC hasn't gone all-in on a registry. It is 100% what allowed PSA to just get out to what may be an insurmountable lead. Competition wins - always.

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