WW3 Please SAY NO!

[egri]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Churchill had some help coming. Not sure Zelensky does.

In addition to what Steve mentioned, the US ambassador to the UK at the time was a Nazi sympathizer. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Washington, he had the homefield advantage, them Brits had a long boat ride across the pond, and it was a fairly even strength battle wasn't it, I don't recall numbers for each side.

Washington never directly commanded more than 17,000 troops at any one time, and most of them were poorly trained militiamen. The British army, which at the time was the largest, best-trained and well-equipped force in the world, had 48,000 men in North America, plus another 30,000 German mercenaries, 13,000 Indians and 25,000 loyalists.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

This is like my little league team taking on the Yankees. Granted they are looking more like the Orioles, but still. As for taken to the Woodshed, not sure we are watching the same skirmish. Maybe they have put up more resistance then Putty expected, but I do not see the tide turning. As of now looks like they are just delaying the inevitable.

The Russians still have not destroyed the Ukrainian Air Force (their objective on day 1), taken Kyiv (day 3), and are nowhere near ready to install a puppet government (end of the first week). They were expecting to have this done and dusted by now, and instead are spinning their wheels and taking heavy casualties. Meanwhile, Ukraine is receiving a steady flow of equipment and volunteers from abroad, while the Russian economy is in free fall, they are staring at a default on their debt, and the Ruble-USD exchange rate is now 144-1.

Look at Putin's body language here. He doesn't look or sound like someone who is winning; he looks like his parents caught him misbehaving and now he's trying to explain why he shouldn't get sent to bed without any supper.

[Shoeless Moe]

Churchill and the Brits would be speaking German right now if the US didn't get involved.

Don't kid yourself.

All Dunkirk was, was a successful retreat.

D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, etc were led by the US. That and the Russians encircling the Germans at Stalingrad, and stopping their advance on to Moscow, those events turned the tide.

Chruchill had BIG TIME help in the US & USSR.

Zelensky may have made the error in thinking he was getting help. Any he is currently getting is very minimal.

And did Putin ever say all this: we'll have this done by Day 1, this done by Day 3?

Provide that link. Not the media saying what his plan was. Could even be false propaganda for all we know. Could be true, that's why I'd like to see a link. They say he wanted it wrapped up in a week so he looks bad. Gives hope to the Ukrainians. Now what if they said he said he wanted it wrapped up in a month or 2. So then is he ahead of schedule?

Not sure how everyone knows what his plans were when I'm not even sure Putin knows. Yes, I'm sure he thought it would be easier. But what will he do in response: turn up the carnage. Not sure that's a much better alternative.

[Shoeless Moe]

....and let's not forget Churchill was voted out of office in 1945.

Apparently not the hero to all.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Churchill and the Brits would be speaking German right now if the US didn't get involved.

Don't kid yourself.

Where did I ever say anything like that? Unless you're confusing me with someone else in this thread?

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

All Dunkirk was, was a successful retreat.

Not to mention the Russians encircling the Germans at Stalingrad, and stopping their advance on to Moscow, that turned the tide as well.

The only city the Russians have besieged so far is Mariupol, which is near the border with Russia and in the part of Ukraine that was very friendly to the Russians.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And did Putin ever say all this: we'll have this done by Day 1, this done by Day 3?

Provide that link. Not the media saying what his plan was. Not sure how they know when I'm not even sure Putin knows. Yes, I'm sure he thought it would be easier. But what will he do in response: turn up the carnage. Not sure that's a much better alternative.

From Marco Rubio, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Yes, they could be wrong, but so far what he's been posting has been accurate.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by egri

From Marco Rubio, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Yes, they could be wrong, but so far what he's been posting has been accurate.

Senate Intelligence, now that's funny.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Senate Intelligence, now that's funny.

Now that's a real oxymoron!

[egri]

The Russian Defense Ministry put out this video of some of their special forces in Ukraine a few days ago (this isn't 'Ukrainian propaganda'; if anything, it is supposed to make the Russians look good). Two things I noticed: their helmets do not have NVG mounts, which means the elite forces deploying in the winter (i.e., long nights) don't have NVGs. And, they do not have optical sights on their rifles. Here's another one from the 'exercises' leading up to the war. Again, elite troops who are lacking very basic equipment that would be standard in any Western military.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by egri

The Russian Defense Ministry put out this video of some of their special forces in Ukraine a few days ago (this isn't 'Ukrainian propaganda'; if anything, it is supposed to make the Russians look good). Two things I noticed: their helmets do not have NVG mounts, which means the elite forces deploying in the winter (i.e., long nights) don't have NVGs. And, they do not have optical sights on their rifles. Here's another one from the 'exercises' leading up to the war. Again, elite troops who are lacking very basic equipment that would be standard in any Western military.

This is very strange and interesting. Russia has of course developed numerous optics of several types for the AK-12/15 series and several of them are known to have entered mass production (I believe some have become available for export in the US). Odd they would take them off to shoot a video, but also odd if their special forces are not even using them at all. Easier optic mounting was one of the big selling points of the new rifles.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Churchill and the Brits would be speaking German right now if the US didn't get involved.

Hitler lost the war the minute he invaded the USSR June 22,1941. The Germans could never match the manpower or production from the unbombable Urals and further east. Stalin had no problem sacrificing millions of people in order to keep himself and communism in power. Eight out of every ten German soldiers killed in WW2 were on the Eastern Front. More German soldiers were killed in and around Stalingrad in one battle than were killed by the US the entire war.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Hitler lost the war the minute he invaded the USSR June 22,1941. The Germans could never match the manpower or production from the unbombable Urals and further east. Stalin had no problem sacrificing millions of people in order to keep himself and communism in power. Eight out of every ten German soldiers killed in WW2 were on the Eastern Front. More German soldiers were killed in and around Stalingrad in one battle than were killed by the US the entire war.

I believe I basically said that. Stalingrad was the turning point. But if the US are not involved on the East, that's more of Hitler's army fighting the Soviet Union on the West. Not sure if that changes anything, but possibly it would have.

I pose this question to you:

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE