Ineptness of Authenticators/Graders

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I take it was not your submission? I think they do tell the original submitter why it gets an A on the sheet that gets sent back with the cards...but I've gotten the same reply when I've inquired directly with SGC about a card graded A, they don't keep notes.

I am the original submitter. The reply from them is what I received. I was told it had evidence of trimming. I disagree. I wanted to know the specifics as to how the grader came to that conclusion. No details other than the trimming comment.

B. T.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I am the original submitter. The reply from them is what I received. I was told it had evidence of trimming. I disagree.

Ah, ok. They just wouldn't give you the specifics of what they observed I guess.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Ah, ok. They just wouldn't give you the specifics of what they observed I guess.

Exactly.

Here is the link to my OP.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=312734

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I am the original submitter. The reply from them is what I received. I was told it had evidence of trimming. I disagree. I wanted to know the specifics as to how the grader came to that conclusion. No details other than the trimming comment.

B. T.

Submitters are only paying SGC to provide its opinion concerning a card’s overall grade. That is it. This does not include notes, reasoning, bases, debates, arguments, etc.

I’ve never met a person who didn’t think his/her cards were under graded. Just go look at the B/S/T section. Count how many “under graded” and “looks much better,” blah-blah comments you see.

Can you imagine how much slower the process would become, and how much more expensive as well, if a grader, who graded a card a month ago, had to pull up his/her notes and look at the scanned database photo and then answer an e-mail or telephone call? It wouldn’t stop.

The grader wouldn’t have time to grade cards. Including detailed notes and comments on the front-end would also slow the process down and reduce how many cards that grader could grade each day, which would add to backlogs.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry would call or email asking why their card was graded a 4.5 and not a 5.0. It wouldn’t end.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

Submitters are only paying SGC to provide its opinion concerning a card’s overall grade. That is it. This does not include notes, reasoning, bases, debates, arguments, etc.

I’ve never met a person who didn’t think his/her cards were under graded. Just go look at the B/S/T section. Count how many “under graded” and “looks much better,” blah-blah comments you see.

Can you imagine how much slower the process would become, and how much more expensive as well, if a grader, who graded a card a month ago, had to pull up his/her notes and look at the scanned database photo and then answer an e-mail or telephone call? It wouldn’t stop.

The grader wouldn’t have time to grade cards. Including detailed notes and comments on the front-end would also slow the process down and reduce how many cards that grader could grade each day, which would add to backlogs.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry would call or email asking why their card was graded a 4.5 and not a 5.0. It wouldn’t end.

For the price you're paying to get these cards graded, let's say at the $250 level, I should have full access to graders notes and at least a phone call from Brent explaining why.

[BobC]

Would it not also behoove TPGs to not keep such accurate notes and records in case someone was to take them to court over their guarantees, or to dispute losses they felt they had incurred due to wrongful TPG opinions? Without such notes and evidence it would be extremely harder to prove fault in the case of giving an opinion. Kind of like scrubbing a crime scene so the actual fingerprints are gone.

Another reason I had heard in the past for why TPGs may not want to share all specific details as to why they graded a particular card as they did, is to not let card doctors and alterers know exactly what was found or seen so they could improve their techniques and work to better fool TPGs in future attempts at getting their altered cards past them and graded as high as possible.

[puckpaul]

I get it, the process is very imperfect and often corrupt…but in the end, the card is still the card and everyone can see it. Grading is important but don’t always determine how well a card sells. We all have our stories, and i sure wish i never had thought that the grading companies would someday be discredited (i have abandoned this thought), and had had many more cards graded before this explosion in cost and increase in grading standards. Oh well! On the other hand, it has allowed versions of many cards to obtain prices never before contemplated, and it does trickle down to the value of all cards (in general).

Not much we can do now…