WW3 Please SAY NO!

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by jgannon

Whoa...


Well, you can keep waiting for all I care, lol.

To be honest, that’s exactly the response I expected. Cheers and Happy Collecting.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

To be honest, that’s exactly the response I expected. Cheers and Happy Collecting.

Ptomaine...

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by jgannon

Ptomaine...

That Latin for “my forefathers shed their blood so I can sleep on a safe pillow, so I can critique someone else fighting for the same safe pillow?”

I’m just playing. I went to college. Sick burn. But you’re still not a patriot.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

That Latin for “my forefathers shed their blood so I can sleep on a safe pillow, so I can critique someone else fighting for the same safe pillow?”

I’m just playing. I went to college. Sick burn. But you’re still not a patriot.

Glory, glory hallelujah!

[sbfinley]

These guys:

Originally Posted by jgannon

Glory, glory hallelujah!

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I love this country (America) more than most.

Someone: If you're nation was invaded by a larger force bent on removing your sovereign right to govern would you fight for your God given rights?

Also these guys:

[steve B]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

These guys:







Someone: If you're nation was invaded by a larger force bent on removing your sovereign right to govern would you fight for your God given rights?

Also these guys:

Perhaps we don't feel a need to brag about what we would do?
Perhaps, just perhaps we aren't that insecure in knowing what we would do.

The loudmouths are generally the first to slink away.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by steve B

Perhaps we don't feel a need to brag about what we would do?
Perhaps, just perhaps we aren't that insecure in knowing what we would do.

The loudmouths are generally the first to slink away.

No....

You're just to chicken $h*t to answer the question, because it disproves your narrative (God ya'll love that word).

I'll ask again....


If it were America under siege from a larger invading nation would you accept our capitulation? Or would you fight and possibly die for your sovereign independence.

It's a pretty concise question, with really a one word answer. [The options are YES or NO. If you need my daughter to paste it out in crayola just tell me the colors you recognize.]

You've just been dancing around it like Ricky Martin. And by all means, Live La Vida Loca my friend.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by steve B

Perhaps we don't feel a need to brag about what we would do?
Perhaps, just perhaps we aren't that insecure in knowing what we would do.

The loudmouths are generally the first to slink away.

Exactly. Also, someone might give an answer to the kind of question being posed if it were asked in a civil and sincere way.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

If you're nation was invaded by a larger force bent on removing your sovereign right to govern would you fight for your God given rights?

Yes. Without question. I tried to join the military and was denied for food allergies. I'm sorry I didn't realize this was the off-base question you were so distraught over not being answered.

Also, thank you for sharing those sad images. It gives us all something to pray for, if we didn't already.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to retire myself from this thread. Good discussion, fellas.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

These guys:

Ah, I see you stayed up almost an hour trying to come up with something!

Since you're college educated, maybe you'll understand that context has a bearing on the answer to your question. What I was trying to say was that the present conflict could have been avoided and right now the U.S. and NATO are fighting a proxy war down to the last Ukranian. If I were a citizen of Ukraine, I would be angry at Putin, but I would also be angry at my government for getting my country into an unnecessary conflict. Putin pulled the trigger, but the U.S. and Ukraine did everything they could to goad him. The Charter on Strategic Partnership which was signed between the U.S. and Ukraine on Nov. 10th of last year, which reiterated U.S. support Ukraine's right to join NATO, was the last straw for Putin who had been sternly warning both parties of the unacceptability Ukranian membership for years.

Does Putin have the right to keep Ukraine or any other nation out of NATO? The more accurate question would be, why was NATO not disbanded after Germany was reunified and the Soviet Union dissolved? You might say, because of exactly what is happening right now. But the early 90s were an opportunity for unprecedented cooperation and amity between the U.S. and Russia. Russia even wanted to join NATO for a time. The other question is, does Russia have a right to feel threatened as 14 of it's neighbors have been armed over the years, with some of those countries pointing missiles at them? Does allowing Ukraine which sits right on it's doorstep worsen that situation in Russia's eyes?

Did the United States have a responsibility to read the geopolitical tea leaves more accurately instead of pushing the little fella to wake the sleeping giant? There are some far-right ultra nationalists in Ukraine, who incidentally are part of the armed forces there who were also committing atrocities such as burning some Ukraninans alive in the east, who might be ecstatic about the situation. But of course, there are a lot of innocent people who are being victimized and dying because of the absolute fecklessness of the U.S. and the Ukrainian government.

So again, if I were a politically aware citizen living in Ukraine, I would be mad as hell at Russia, as well as mad as hell at my government for blundering into this. And the answer is, that I would not be ecstatic about fighting as a result of other people's absolute stupidity.

The idea of fighting for gas and oil in Afghanistan and Iraq was also repugnant to me.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by jgannon

Ah, I see you stayed up almost an hour trying to come up with something!

Since you're college educated, maybe you'll understand that context has a bearing on the answer to your question. What I was trying to say was that the present conflict could have been avoided and right now the U.S. and NATO are fighting a proxy war down to the last Ukranian. If I were a citizen of Ukraine, I would be angry at Putin, but I would also be angry at my government for getting my country into an unnecessary conflict. Putin pulled the trigger, but the U.S. and Ukraine did everything they could to goad him. The Charter on Strategic Partnership which was signed between the U.S. and Ukraine on Nov. 10th of last year, which reiterated U.S. support Ukraine's right to join NATO, was the last straw for Putin who had been sternly warning both parties of the unacceptability Ukranian membership for years.

Does Putin have the right to keep Ukraine or any other nation out of NATO? The more accurate question would be, why was NATO not disbanded after Germany was reunified and the Soviet Union dissolved? You might say, because of exactly what is happening right now. But the early 90s were an opportunity for unprecedented cooperation and amity between the U.S. and Russia. Russia even wanted to join NATO for a time. The other question is, does Russia have a right to feel threatened as 14 of it's neighbors have been armed over the years, with some of those countries pointing missiles at them? Does allowing Ukraine which sits right on it's doorstep worsen that situation in Russia's eyes?

Did the United States have a responsibility to read the geopolitical tea leaves more accurately instead of pushing the little fella to wake the sleeping giant? There are some far-right ultra nationalists in Ukraine, who incidentally are part of the armed forces there who were also committing atrocities such as burning some Ukraninans alive in the east, who might be ecstatic about the situation. But of course, there are a lot of innocent people who are being victimized and dying because of the absolute fecklessness foreign of the U.S. and the Ukrainian government.

So again, if I were a politically aware citizen living in Ukraine, I would be mad as hell at Russia, as well as mad as hell at my government for blundering into this. And the answer is, that I would not be ecstatic about fighting as a result of other people's absolute stupidity.

The idea of fighting for gas and oil in Afghanistan and Iraq was also repugnant to me.

Didn’t realize Net54 was still reachable in Moscow.