WW3 Please SAY NO!

[Shoeless Moe]

oh yah and let's not forget how our military AND our government (up to the President) BS'd the public about Pat Tillman's death.

and no one was ever held accountable.

I don't think anyone doubts what is happening here......but all sides will have their own propaganda. Looks to be the Russians WAY more so here, but there will be some BS coming from the good side as well. Zelensky has tried some already, but can't blame him.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If you can't figure out who started this war, and therefore who the bad guys are, I actually feel sorry for you. Yes, it is always good to be skeptical to a degree, but come on. Isn't this specific invasion clear enough to see it for what it is?

Sure, we don't know all the details. But we do see bombs and artillery shelling Ukranian cities, and miles upon miles of tanks invading across a sovereign border. Or are you thinking all the many competing news services in the free word are colluding to fool you?

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?
Imo, the story that should be told is someone and/or something poked the bear, but of course we are hearing very little about that side of it.

And, just so you know, the media is happy to embellish and outright lie to you as they compete for viewership and ratings.
Sensationalism by any means necessary is used each and everyday by each and everyone of them.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by irv

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?

See, it wasn't so hard to figure out.

He's trying to put the Soviet Union back together. First was Crimea, next Ukraine, then if all goes well, Moldova, and so on.

Seriously, don't you think Russia is invading, for the purpose of taking over, the Ukraine? And how hard would one have to poke the bear to justify that?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by irv

So, Putin, just out of the blue, decided to invade Ukraine for something to do?

No, I think he feared they would eventually join NATO so this would be a stop to that. I think it could be as simple as that.