Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

You must have been really good at where's Waldo

Greg also kills it on those "find the six differences" things!

Seriously, great observations, Greg. My feeling (which just developed yesterday) is that the poor definition pennants are not Ad Flags, but a rip-off by some other company. Maybe the inferior screen printer changed the bridge just to cover his ass? Domer might be able to chime in on this.

Here's my orange on black and black on orange examples...

[bocca001]

The poor graphics versions do have that "bootleg" feel and look to them, and often have really bad cut jobs.

[perezfan]

I think the poor graphic ones probably are bootlegs. In addition to the dull, unrefined graphics, there are way more of them available than would normally be the case. It might be the most common "vintage" pennant ever made.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I think the poor graphic ones probably are bootlegs. In addition to the dull, unrefined graphics, there are way more of them available than would normally be the case. It might be the most common "vintage" pennant ever made.

Actually, the orange with bad graphics is a lot less available than the black with good graphics.

[perezfan]

What about the badly cut black ones with bad graphics...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19487630226...oAAOSwGjRiGp~4


The poorly defined graphics look very similar to this remake/bootleg/repro/fantasy (or whatever you want to call it). Would not be surprised if it's the same maker?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13393314769...cAAOSwJ5FhhYhj

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17518210781...8AAOSwiThiHn~Q

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

What about the badly cut black ones with bad graphics...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19487630226...oAAOSwGjRiGp~4


The poorly defined graphics look very similar to this remake/bootleg/repro/fantasy (or whatever you want to call it). Would not be surprised if it's the same maker?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13393314769...cAAOSwJ5FhhYhj

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17518210781...8AAOSwiThiHn~Q

My opinion is … different maker. These last two seem better quality than the first. Somebody made defunct team pennants in the mid 1970s, the brown Browns pennant with Brownie, green Phila A’s, white Senators with the Nationals logo … even the Pilots have a repro. I think these Giants fit that mold.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

My opinion is … different maker. These last two seem better quality than the first. Somebody made defunct team pennants in the mid 1970s, the brown Browns pennant with Brownie, green Phila A’s, white Senators with the Nationals logo … even the Pilots have a repro. I think these Giants fit that mold.

...yes, someone did: Trench! Although, they were "distributed" through another company d/b/a "APSCO" of Brooklyn, NY. Occasionally these repros, which were actually made in the late 1970s, come up for sale in their original APSCO packaging, shown below, with the distinctive "Pennant Post" lettering at the top of the card header.

By the 1980s an even cheaper version of these was produced by Trench/APSCO. On these second generation repros, you'll note they were 100% screen printed atop a white (and only white) felt substrate, i.e., the blue color of the felt was itself screened on. These can be identified by their white frame surrounding the edges of the long sides of the pennant; and the reverse, which will be 100% white (not blue).

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Greg also kills it on those "find the six differences" things!

Seriously, great observations, Greg. My feeling (which just developed yesterday) is that the poor definition pennants are not Ad Flags, but a rip-off by some other company. Maybe the inferior screen printer changed the bridge just to cover his ass? Domer might be able to chime in on this.

Here's my orange on black and black on orange examples...

I dunno. I think the stitching on the back will tell the story, I suspect it is identical. I wish I could describe it in words but Ad Flag, Keezer, and ASCO have what looks like a double stitch, which keeps it tight. Trench and WGN have a single stitch.