WW3 Please SAY NO!

[steve B]

Who knows, maybe he collects?

It's possible this is all about the illuminati and their stash of Wagners rescued from ALC which are right next to the 52High numbers that were NOT actually dumped in the Hudson or ocean or wherever.

And all stored in Ukraine....

[Leon]

Let's try not to make it too political and continue. Personally I think we should be doing more to help. Aren't there some long range missiles, somewhere, that can be lobbed into Russian military...and maybe Putin? Not from the US, but some of our allies?
And I understand why Russia isn't kicked out of all SWIFT but there has to be other ways than continuing to buy 500k barrels of oil from Russia, currently? At least that is what I read. This is complicated but it's very clear Putin has committed crimes against humanity. Hopefully he will be help accountable some day.
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[egri]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not from the US, but some of our allies?

I'm very surprised that the Poles, Romanians, and the Baltic states aren't getting involved more. Once Putin gets done gobbling up Ukraine, they are next on the menu. And if the Finns want Karelia back, now's the time to get it.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by egri

I'm very surprised that the Poles, Romanians, and the Baltic states aren't getting involved more. Once Putin gets done gobbling up Ukraine, they are next on the menu. And if the Finns want Karelia back, now's the time to get it.

He's not touching Poland or Romania.

He just wants what the Soviet Union lost.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He's not touching Poland or Romania.

He just wants what the Soviet Union lost.

The Baltic States?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He's not touching Poland or Romania.

He just wants what the Soviet Union lost.

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. Not any more then Yugoslavia, or an undivided Korea.

Russia exists. Ukraine exists. Soviet Union does not. There are countries that CHOSE to remain under the influence of Russia. Ukraine was not one of them.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He's not touching Poland or Romania.

He just wants what the Soviet Union lost.

They were both part of the Eastern Bloc.

[Shoeless Moe]

sorry, to clarify, he just wants those countries they had that are not NATO countries, or that was his original plan anyway.

so I highly doubt he's going after Poland, Romania and the Baltic States.

especially after he sees how this is going.

he's gonna get Ukraine back and that will probably be the end of it, again after he saw how everyone else has united against him.

If he was hoping for ALL those countries, guessing this has changed his mind. He'll take Ukraine though, what's left of it anyway.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

sorry, to clarify, he just wants those countries they had that are not NATO countries, or that was his original plan anyway.

so I highly doubt he's going after Poland, Romania and the Baltic States.

especially after he sees how this is going.

he's gonna get Ukraine back and that will probably be the end of it, again after he saw how everyone else has united against him.

If he was hoping for ALL those countries, guessing this has changed his mind. He'll take Ukraine though, what's left of it anyway.

Thanks for the clarification. I don't disagree with much of what you've said here and in later posts.

I think he was hoping to take Ukraine in one piece early on, so he wouldn't have to rebuild it for his own purposes.

There's definitely resources in the Ukraine he wants to extract for himself. He's been stewing on this since 2014 when free elections and Zelensky, essentially kicked him out of the country.

Crimea was just the start.

Coincidentally (or not), the largest known deposit of Gold in the Ukraine, is in the Donbass region.

Not to mention all the lithium, uranium and coal that comes out of The Ukraine.

If he doesn't get to keep it, he's certainly going to try and completely flatten it on the way out.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Leon

And I understand why Russia isn't kicked out of all SWIFT

I really hope they're banished from the SWIFT system, then other forms of payment will be required for the oil, but I don't think the Central Banks will go this route unfortunately.

[Mark17]

Well, it highlights, yet again, why we should produce as much energy here as we can, for our own use as well as our allies. Being dependent on the Middle East and Russia for energy is a miserable strategy.

The economic pain being inflicted on Russia will bring Putin to his knees long before the Ukranians stop fighting. Not to mention, the military isn't backing this invasion, the soldiers have very low morale, protests in Russia continue, supplies and mercenaries are flooding into Ukraine from many (highly motivated) countries, and so on.

Europe has seen this kind of land grab by a megalomaniac before and this time they are confronting it early, with a tightly unified effort.

Frankly, NATO is much stronger now than ever before, and it will soon be adding more members, like Finland for sure.

Putin loses this military quagmire, is humiliated, and will not survive in power. Meanwhile, I'm watching with interest how Bitcoin fares in all this.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Well, it highlights, yet again, why we should produce as much energy here as we can, for our own use as well as our allies. Being dependent on the Middle East and Russia for energy is a miserable strategy.

The economic pain being inflicted on Russia will bring Putin to his knees long before the Ukranians stop fighting. Not to mention, the military isn't backing this invasion, the soldiers have very low morale, protests in Russia continue, supplies and mercenaries are flooding into Ukraine from many (highly motivated) countries, and so on.

Europe has seen this kind of land grab by a megalomaniac before and this time they are confronting it early, with a tightly unified effort.

Frankly, NATO is much stronger now than ever before, and it will soon be adding more members, like Finland for sure.

Putin loses this military quagmire, is humiliated, and will not survive in power. Meanwhile, I'm watching with interest how Bitcoin fares in all this.

Sadly you are incorrect. Baring an overthrow of Putin internally it's highly unlikely what you say plays out. He will take the Ukraine and fairly soon.

Yes, many of the Russian soldiers may be against what they are doing, but remove your American way of thinking. In Russia you do what you are told or you disappear and/or spend your life in prison.

See what happens to their protestors. Are they allowed to protest or thrown in jail?

Putin is old school, he cares nothing about Twitter, Social Media, the free world's opinion of him, etc.

And with all these sanctions has he pulled ANYTHING back, or moved forward with his plan.

He will take Ukraine. They just can't win a war of attrition with Russia.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

He will take Ukraine. They just can't win a war of attrition with Russia.

If Afghanistan could bog down Russia for a decade, and the USA for 2 decades, the people of Ukraine can continue to resist long enough for Russia to be brought to its knees economically.

The Ruble is now worth less than one cent and the Russian stock market can't even open because the minute it does, it collapses. Vlad might not care, but every other Russian does.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Mark17

If Afghanistan could bog down Russia for a decade, and the USA for 2 decades, the people of Ukraine can continue to resist long enough for Russia to be brought to its knees economically.

The Ruble is now worth less than one cent and the Russian stock market can't even open because the minute it does, it collapses. Vlad might not care, but every other Russian does.

It's good to be optimistic. However, I'm realistic.

2 decades, don't compare the 2 it's like comparing apples and borscht.......this will be over by April 1, and that's no joke.

Do you have any idea how long a 40 mile military caravan is? (40 miles)......but seriously just imagine that, 40 miles, one after the other, and yes I know they have some issues, but they will correct and keep moving forward. Just a matter of time.

Russia will take Ukraine.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Leon

Let's try not to make it too political and continue. Personally I think we should be doing more to help. Aren't there some long range missiles, somewhere, that can be lobbed into Russian military...and maybe Putin? Not from the US, but some of our allies?
And I understand why Russia isn't kicked out of all SWIFT but there has to be other ways than continuing to buy 500k barrels of oil from Russia, currently? At least that is what I read. This is complicated but it's very clear Putin has committed crimes against humanity. Hopefully he will be help accountable some day.
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500K barrels a day. And that's just about 7% of all oil imports.
Our domestic production is about 11.28 million a day.

But we export more than we import.

The stuff we get from Russia is used to serve some more remote areas and to balance off supply at refineries to keep them at capacity.

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by steve B

Our domestic production is about 11.28 million a day.

Hi Steve.......is this still true, or is it a number from a couple years ago when gas was sub $2 a gallon? I thought a large amount of domestic oil production has pretty much been stalled in the past year. No?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Hi Steve.......is this still true, or is it a number from a couple years ago when gas was sub $2 a gallon? I thought a large amount of domestic oil production has pretty much been stalled in the past year. No?

Gas was sub $2 a gallon because the pandemic hit, travel stopped...and with that, demand fell off quickly.

Oil companies had to stockpile it and had nowhere to put it, which is why oil was selling for less then $0 a barrel for awhile there.

They won't make that mistake again, anytime in the near future.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Hi Steve.......is this still true, or is it a number from a couple years ago when gas was sub $2 a gallon? I thought a large amount of domestic oil production has pretty much been stalled in the past year. No?

There was a dip in April 2020, but it came back pretty quickly.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le...s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

[steve B]

5 minutes in to that video and just WTF? A nutcase using the posturing of an even less coherent nutcase to support something that isn't at all clear...

Overall reaction?

Who? ranting about who?

Oh, a startup "news" organization that can't or won't even supply computers to their work from home employees....
Did they check if she knows either Russian or Ukranian? If not, how would she know what the banner said. And if she did what are the chances she knows some obscure historical groups slogans?

The weekly world news is a more credible source.

[irv]

Originally Posted by steve B

5 minutes in to that video and just WTF? A nutcase using the posturing of an even less coherent nutcase to support something that isn't at all clear...

Overall reaction?

Who? ranting about who?

Oh, a startup "news" organization that can't or won't even supply computers to their work from home employees....
Did they check if she knows either Russian or Ukranian? If not, how would she know what the banner said. And if she did what are the chances she knows some obscure historical groups slogans?

The weekly world news is a more credible source.

Yeah, keep believing that and believe you're being informed.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GS8TU...gjJB8um5koRLE0