Hobby Resilience - Long Term

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

Our corrupt mainstream media has been instructed to use the Ukraine story line as a diversion from what is really going on here, and what is coming in the next 8 months.

That's rather vague...care to elaborate?

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That's rather vague...care to elaborate?

I don't mean this in a arrogant way as that's not my personality, but it's not 'vague' at all to folks that have been truly paying attention the last several years. The MSM spoon feeds their narrative on a daily basis to the 'masses' as a cover story to keep us from noticing the true corruption that is destroying our country. It's worked for years, but with the mid-terms in 8 months and a social media 'change' on the horizon, the tide is slowly changing and the large amount of censorship will be coming to an end. It will be very interesting as it plays out. Again, just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

[Touch'EmAll]

There have been quite a few new to the hobby collectors recently. While the majority of them may be starting with modern, I bet more of them move into vintage as time rolls on, rather than vintage guys move to modern. Basically, the demand for vintage will increase. Great for vintage resilience long term. Not sure if resilience is correct term - definition is ability to recover quickly from difficulties - I have not seen vintage go thru a difficult period to then rebound from. Rather perhaps plateau, but mostly just up.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I don't mean this in a arrogant way as that's not my personality, but it's not 'vague' at all to folks that have been truly paying attention the last several years. The MSM spoon feeds their narrative on a daily basis to the 'masses' as a cover story to keep us from noticing the true corruption that is destroying our country. It's worked for years, but with the mid-terms in 8 months and a social media 'change' on the horizon, the tide is slowly changing and the large amount of censorship will be coming to an end. It will be very interesting as it plays out. Again, just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

And I don't mean to be nasty, because that's not my personality at all, but my opinion of this is that it is the kind of paranoid nonsense that is actually in danger of destroying the country, or more precisely of dividing the country to the point that it destroys itself.

[Foo3112]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

And I don't mean to be nasty, because that's not my personality at all, but my opinion of this is that it is the kind of paranoid nonsense that is actually in danger of destroying the country, or more precisely of dividing the country to the point that it destroys itself.

+1. Leave that stuff for Gab & Parler and let's bring it back to cards.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by foo3112

+1. Leave that stuff for gab & parler and let's bring it back to cards.

100%

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

And I don't mean to be nasty, because that's not my personality at all, but my opinion of this is that it is the kind of paranoid nonsense that is actually in danger of destroying the country, or more precisely of dividing the country to the point that it destroys itself.

Fair enough Hank and Marc. A topic was raised, and I commented. I'm definitely not 'paranoid', just observant. We'll stick to cards.

[joshleon]

I collected coins briefly as a kid. I recall having a complete set of Franklin halves. I still remember the 49S as being the "tough" one. Looked them up on ebay last week and they sell for the exact same price as they did in 1986 (or at least as I recall). I sold the set in 1986 and bought vintage cards...

If only I had done the same with PanAm and Apple stock.

[Leon]

Thanks for sticking to cards, guys. Politics in today's world is a toxic subject.

And I feel good with my cards I have bought concerning their potential valuation. And if that doesn't happen I still have some cool baseball cards!

[Hankphenom]

I wonder what happened to stamps and coins, stagnating or even declining in value, as opposed to other collectibles that have appreciated, some exponentially, over the years. I think stamps and coins are still popular, with millions of collectors and large conventions, so what explains the difference? Maybe they're just not as much fun or as interesting as the others? They were probably the earliest major collectibles, why didn't they at least keep pace?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I don't mean this in a arrogant way as that's not my personality, but it's not 'vague' at all to folks that have been truly paying attention the last several years. The MSM spoon feeds their narrative on a daily basis to the 'masses' as a cover story to keep us from noticing the true corruption that is destroying our country. It's worked for years, but with the mid-terms in 8 months and a social media 'change' on the horizon, the tide is slowly changing and the large amount of censorship will be coming to an end. It will be very interesting as it plays out. Again, just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

I appreciate the reply. I don't entirely disagree that corruption is destroying the country, but I don't see the connection to "censorship." Also, what is the "social media 'change'" on the horizon?

Most of all, what does any of this have to with projecting card values?

(I don't mean any of this in an arrogant way either. Genuinely interested in hearing collectors' opinions. Thanks)

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I don't mean this in a arrogant way as that's not my personality, but it's not 'vague' at all to folks that have been truly paying attention the last several years. The MSM spoon feeds their narrative on a daily basis to the 'masses' as a cover story to keep us from noticing the true corruption that is destroying our country. It's worked for years, but with the mid-terms in 8 months and a social media 'change' on the horizon, the tide is slowly changing and the large amount of censorship will be coming to an end. It will be very interesting as it plays out. Again, just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own.

Thanks, Dale...when are the black UN helicopters coming?



Seriously, take the political stuff to a political web site. We discuss cards here.

[Foo3112]

Seriously, take the political stuff to a political web site. We discuss cards here.

Your post is also unnecessary. No need to bring up something that happened a couple of days ago just because you were late to the party. This was discussed, handled, and all parties agreed to move on, yet you felt your voice also needed to be heard.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Foo3112

Your post is also unnecessary. No need to bring up something that happened a couple of days ago just because you were late to the party. This was discussed, handled, and all parties agreed to move on, yet you felt your voice also needed to be heard.

Not sure why giving a belated opinion is unnecessary. I do it quite frequently. But to reiterate, lets try to stick to cards..

Concerning hobby resilience, I will always like looking at this card, valuable or not. And since my daughter doesn't collect, I don't care as much what future generations do.
As the OP mentioned, vintage has never let me down.
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[Exhibitman]

Damn, Leon, that is a great card.

[molenick]

I think book collecting is to some degree analogous to what happened to stamp/coin collecting. An aging collector group, young people who in many cases do not come into contact with the physical object (not that they don't read, just that they don't need a book to do so), and the realization that many items were considered "scarce" only because you had to buy them from a handful of dealers. With eBay and AbeBooks, you can pretty much get any book you want now. Maybe not in the condition you want, or in the edition, but for any book published since ca. 1970, probably 95% of the books you are looking for.

Like stamps and coins, the very rarest books will still be in demand and command high prices in an auction. But it's based almost entirely on rarity. You will pay more for better condition, but it's not like a Putnam team history in "like new" condition will sell for 100's of times more than a nice looking but technically very good copy. Many of the books I paid a premium for because of scarcity, edition, or condition are worth the same (or less) than they were 30 years ago (if I could sell them at all).

It may not be an exact analogy, but it is an area of the hobby where there has been mostly a decline in value (especially if you take inflation into consideration). There simply is not enough demand to support the supply. There aren't a lot of stories of coming home from college to find that your books were thrown away and now you are chasing your childhood collection.