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[bobbvc]

These lists are always fun, especially in the off season. I personally witnessed Pedro throw a perfect game against the Padres and it was impressive. (He went on to lose the game in the 10th, also impressive by today's standards). But to rank him ahead of Honus Wagner is laughable.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

These lists are always fun, especially in the off season. I personally witnessed Pedro throw a perfect game against the Padres and it was impressive. (He went on to lose the game in the 10th, also impressive by today's standards). But to rank him ahead of Honus Wagner is laughable.

It's a bit harder to compare Pitcher to Hitter, so no comment on Wagner vs Pedro, but no one is convincing me Pedro & Randy Johnson arn't the best pitchers of All time. So I have no complaint with Pedro's position, would like to see Randy right next to him though. Sorry, but you can have your farm hands Walter Johnson, Cy Young & Christy Mathewson.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

It's a bit harder to compare Pitcher to Hitter, so no comment on Wagner vs Pedro, but no one is convincing me Pedro & Randy Johnson arn't the best pitchers of All time. So I have no complaint with Pedro's position, would like to see Randy right next to him though. Sorry, but you can have your farm hands Walter Johnson, Cy Young & Christy Mathewson.

How about this attempt. Roger Clemens the real best ever only has one less Cy Young than both your picks combined. He also has one more MVP than both your picks combined. It really isn't even close.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by bnorth

How about this attempt. Roger Clemens the real best ever only has one less Cy Young than both your picks combined. He also has one more MVP than both your picks combined. It really isn't even close.

Funny you should mention Roger. He's my #3.

It's real close between Roger, Pedro & Randy. He's probably be the only one I'd allow in the discussion.

I ding him slightly 'cuz of the steriods thing.....and throwing the bat at Piazza. Other than that he's right there.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Funny you should mention Roger. He's my #3.

It's real close between Roger, Pedro & Randy. He's probably be the only one I'd allow in the discussion.

I ding him slightly 'cuz of the steriods thing.....and throwing the bat at Piazza. Other than that he's right there.

You can't ding him for missing Piazza. He wasn't used to throwing bats.

I looked and seen if you add the triple crowns won by Pedro and Randy together they won as many combined as Roger won by himself.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by bnorth

You can't ding him for missing Piazza. He wasn't used to throwing bats.

Hey all 3 of mine have their issues:

Roger threw a bat at Piazza
Randy threw a ball at a bird (and disintegrated it)
Pedro threw a Zimmer to the ground (I give Zimm credit though for getting in there, at 80 or whatever he was at the time)

......but none of that puts them below the farmers, or anyone else.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Hey all 3 of mine have their issues:

Roger threw a bat at Piazza
Randy threw a ball at a bird (and disintegrated it)
Pedro threw a Zimmer to the ground (I give Zimm credit though for getting in there, at 80 or whatever he was at the time)

......but none of that puts them below the farmers, or anyone else.

I loved him throwing Zim to the ground. Pedro handled that perfectly. Zim asked for trouble - and he found it.

[guy3050]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

These lists are always fun, especially in the off season. I personally witnessed Pedro throw a perfect game against the Padres and it was impressive. (He went on to lose the game in the 10th, also impressive by today's standards). But to rank him ahead of Honus Wagner is laughable.

Pedro was the winning pitcher Expos won 1-0 in the 10th inning

[timber63401]

Keeping in mind it was in the middle of the steroid era, prime Pedro years are really remarkable.