Why are they not playing baseball ?

[insidethewrapper]

I see the owners have offered a $ 615,000 minimum salary and the players union is at $ 715,000. Not a bad job.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I see the owners have offered a $ 615,000 minimum salary and the players union is at $ 715,000. Not a bad job.

NHL at #3 of the big four is at $750k. The owners offer of $615k is a slap in the face. You can argue that it's a nice salary, but it continues to pull the best talent away from MLB. Why would other Kyler Murrays choose baseball over football? They won't. And it negatively affects every MLB fan.

It's the same argument that public education is facing right now. Big money has convinced states to pay teachers less and less, and require more and more. And now college kids are making the choice that teaching "just isn't worth it professionally." It will negatively affect everyone including business.

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[Jim65]

Both sides suck. What pisses me off is there will be some sort of compromise eventually yet they feel the need to play the "my dick is bigger" game.

The longer they hold out, the worse it will get for the players. The players are bragging about solidarity when they aren't losing paychecks yet. Not every player makes multi millions and what happens when the league minimum guys have no paycheck and the mortgage is due? Maybe Gerrit Cole can hire them to clean his pool.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by todeen

NHL at #3 of the big four is at $750k.

The NHL also has a cap and maximum salary for players. Would the MLBPA agree to those same rules?

[Leon]

I agree both sides suck. Since I quit watching after the strike in 1994 I have cared not one iota about MLB. I think it all sucks. And I don't think it will affect our vintage baseball cards either.

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[FrankWakefield]

I like college basketball. Have zero interest in the NBA. I liked it when the NBA players went out on strike, I didn't have to suffer through basketball scores and news when watching sports news.

I do care about baseball. There's a lot of everyone is right, here. I think there's lingering frustration among owners and players with how COVID affected the game 2019-2022.

The owners spend a lot of money supporting minor league development. Most of those players don't get to the parent club. And one way to recoup some of that is with the minimum salaries and caps as a player comes up to the majors. The recent cutback on minor league teams was a step by the owners to reduce the number of minor league players in the pipeline (by making the pipe smaller) so that the owners' outlay is less. I think the players should latch onto the 615k minimum. But that doesn't help players who are established in the majors. The interests of rookies and stars are not consistent.

An outright salary cap won't work, it won't last. A day would come when on or more of the cash plush teams wants to outbid for a star free agent. Owners will shoot themselves in their feet.

It's a mess. I well understand the growing disinterest in 21st century baseball by many of us, I'm a bit that way. My second thought, a week ago or so, when I read that the owners suggested that they try federal mediation, was that they were only suggesting it because they knew the players wouldn't go for it. The players didn't. I feel a little sorry for the older players who were gonna go one more final season and add to their stat totals... they leave a lot of money on the table if they don't play; and I believe that they also leave money on the table if they play a truncated season.

It's a mess. Still, it doesn't diminish the amazing career ow WW II hero Warren Spahn. So I can survive the mess, just as I did in 1994 and 1981.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree both sides suck. Since I quit watching after the strike in 1994 I have cared not one iota about MLB. I think it all sucks. And I don't think it will affect our vintage baseball cards either.

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100% agree.

Most people I talk to, who are casual fans and not rabid or passionate about it, think baseball today is awful, a shell of it's former self. The pre-94 era is held in high regard, including cards. I can't see vintage cards affected, not only for that, but the old cards aren't getting any newer and there just aren't that many of them to begin with.

[benge610]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree both sides suck. Since I quit watching after the strike in 1994 I have cared not one iota about MLB. I think it all sucks. And I don't think it will affect our vintage baseball cards either.

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I'm in that camp. I keep an ear on the tracks, should there be an item of interest, ex. Starling Marte, etc. but the grand game can carry on as it may; much of my passion involves baseball history and how it affects card collecting anyway.

Ben

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree both sides suck. Since I quit watching after the strike in 1994 I have cared not one iota about MLB. I think it all sucks. And I don't think it will affect our vintage baseball cards either.

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zackly! +1

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by todeen

NHL at #3 of the big four is at $750k. The owners offer of $615k is a slap in the face. You can argue that it's a nice salary, but it continues to pull the best talent away from MLB. Why would other Kyler Murrays choose baseball over football? They won't. And it negatively affects every MLB fan.

It's the same argument that public education is facing right now. Big money has convinced states to pay teachers less and less, and require more and more. And now college kids are making the choice that teaching "just isn't worth it professionally." It will negatively affect everyone including business.

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There will always be a sport/job that is the lowest paid. That is no reason for anyone to get a pay increase.

The players and owners are both doing way better than good. I vote lower the damn ticket prices. The average fan can't afford to take the family to a game and enjoy some stadium food.

[Rich Klein]

BTW that was a real 1952 Topps Mantle which was burned. The card store owner who burned the cards was quite specific about making sure everyone knew that it was "THE" card.

Rich

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I vote lower the damn ticket prices. The average fan can't afford to take the family to a game and enjoy some stadium food.

For affordability, minor league games are where it's at. It's really, really unfortunate that they killed so many MiLB teams to save a few bucks...

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by todeen

NHL at #3 of the big four is at $750k. The owners offer of $615k is a slap in the face.

NHL at #3 while playing half as many games under far worse TV contracts and lower attendance.

MLB's minimum salary is way, way too low in comparison to the other leagues.

[Frank A]

The truth of the matter is that if you broke your ass doing heavy construction as I did, you will call the players greedy bastards. What the hell do these guys want. Half a million or one million is not enough for these guys to bother to play. The hell with them. Send them home and get some new guys. Who needs their shit. Tell the players union to go to hell. Start a new league. Just a bunch of grownup brats.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Frank A

The truth of the matter is that if you broke your ass doing heavy construction as I did, you will call the players greedy bastards. What the hell do these guys want. Half a million or one million is not enough for these guys to bother to play. The hell with them. Send them home and get some new guys. Who needs their shit. Tell the players union to go to hell. Start a new league. Just a bunch of grownup brats.

This sounds like bitterness and jealous talking. Lots of people bust their tails doing hard work but don't think the players are greedy. Especially since the players aren't refusing to play. Why shouldn't the players get as much as they can? Their activities generate billions of dollars in profits - why shouldn't they enjoy a large slice of that?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Frank A

The truth of the matter is that if you broke your ass doing heavy construction as I did, you will call the players greedy bastards. What the hell do these guys want. Half a million or one million is not enough for these guys to bother to play. The hell with them. Send them home and get some new guys. Who needs their shit. Tell the players union to go to hell. Start a new league. Just a bunch of grownup brats.

Let's say in the next 5 years, your company signs on several new contracts for quadruple what they've made in the last 5 years. They don't need more guys, just the same guys to do the same amount of work. They reward you with 2-3% annual raises. Are you happy??