T213 prices vs rarities?

[RCMcKenzie]

Dave and Chad, my first Coupons were from Houston card shows in the early 80's. You used to see all 3 types at motel shows around here. Now, you see almost none. Tri-Star is here this weekend, but it's too cold outside to go anywhere. I went a couple of years ago and only saw one Coupon in a case, a PSA 2 Marqurad for $500.

Here's my want-list. Thanks for asking.

Type 1 Bob Rhoades (not the most difficult card in the set, but in the top 10-15) see example from gfg (not mine)
Type 2 Baker NY (not crazy tough)
Murray CHI Nat (hard to find
Sweeney Richmond (have not seen one)
Wiltse Brooklyn port (tough)
Demmitt NY on shirt (see example, not mine)

Type 3 Cobb Red (expensive)
Griffith (tough)
Kelley (avg)
Merkle (avg)

[t213]

I completed a T213-2 set about ten years ago. There are probably fifty really tough cards, with half of those being very, very difficult. I'm sure the people chasing this set all need a subset of the same 40-50 cards - team changes from 1915 and 1916.

Ryan mentioned Tinker has both Chicago Fed and Nat versions - the Nat versions are very difficult, much more than the Chicago Fed versions.

Even the "easier" cards have been undervalued for many years. I obtained most of my commons for $10-15 each and many of the HOFers for less than $50.

Here's a pic of all six Benders - Athletics 1914, Baltimore 1915, Phillies 1916.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by t213

I completed a T213-2 set about ten years ago. There are probably fifty really tough cards, with half of those being very, very difficult. I'm sure the people chasing this set all need a subset of the same 40-50 cards - team changes from 1915 and 1916.

Ryan mentioned Tinker has both Chicago Fed and Nat versions - the Nat versions are very difficult, much more than the Chicago Fed versions.

Even the "easier" cards have been undervalued for many years. I obtained most of my commons for $10-15 each and many of the HOFers for less than $50.

Here's a pic of all six Benders - Athletics 1914, Baltimore 1915, Phillies 1916.

I remember when you posted your want-list many years ago. PRO9 might have been the moderator, or maybe a Leon board prior to this one. Maybe not that long ago, but my memory is patchy. I remember you had about 5 or 6 to go and one of the cards that you needed was Donlin NY. It surprised me to learn how tough it was. It still sells less than the stats on front, which is a cooler card, but much easier to locate. Now, the pop reports give us a good idea of scarcity, the 1916 on cards like Chance LA and Bender and Tinker Nat are always tough.

Thanks, Chris for posting the Sweeney.

[atx840]

Not my card.

[Vintagecatcher]

I have always like the coupons.

Have 9 T213-2s and 2 T213-3s.

Here are a few...



Patrick

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by atx840

Not my card.

Interesting since he never played for Richmond.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Interesting since he never played for Richmond.

Pat, Ed Sweeney "hobby nickname 'Jeff'" played for Toledo in 1916, so that is what I think the caption should read. Looking on stats crew, there was another guy named Ed Sweeney that played in the Virginia League for Lynchburg in 1908. He may have bounced over to Richmond between 1914-1916 or maybe the printers just confused the two players. They got Pittsburgh correct for "Jeff's" 1919 card, by pop reports, the most difficult card, or close to it, in the type 3 set.

[nolemmings]

Ed Sweeney, he of Yankee pinstripes, was a catcher for Richmond in August/September 1915.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Ed Sweeney, he of Yankee pinstripes, was a catcher for Richmond in August/September 1915.

Thanks, Todd, I know you researched old newspaper accounts on a bunch of the T213-2 mysteries and posted them in an earlier thread, but I didn't it pull it up to refresh my recollection. Nice work.

[nolemmings]

Thanks Rob. Here is the link if anyone wants to review it.https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...hlight=sweeney

What's interesting is that Sweeney and Jack Warhop were released to Richmond at the same time, but the latter did not report and obtained his unconditional release. Warhop was in negotiations with St. Louis and pitched there in the Spring of 1916 but was cut before the season began. He has a T213-2 card for St. Louis, which gives insight as to release of the 1916 series for that set. Since Sweeney was not back to Richmond after the 1915 season, this too gives insight into the 1915 release of T213-2 that year.

[MuncieNolePAZ]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Dave and Chad, my first Coupons were from Houston card shows in the early 80's. You used to see all 3 types at motel shows around here. Now, you see almost none. Tri-Star is here this weekend, but it's too cold outside to go anywhere. I went a couple of years ago and only saw one Coupon in a case, a PSA 2 Marqurad for $500.

Here's my want-list. Thanks for asking.

Type 1 Bob Rhoades (not the most difficult card in the set, but in the top 10-15) see example from gfg (not mine)
Type 2 Baker NY (not crazy tough)
Murray CHI Nat (hard to find
Sweeney Richmond (have not seen one)
Wiltse Brooklyn port (tough)
Demmitt NY on shirt (see example, not mine)

Type 3 Cobb Red (expensive)
Griffith (tough)
Kelley (avg)
Merkle (avg)

Thanks for sharing Rob! If I run across any of those, I will let you know. Would be cool to see those sets completed. I wouldn't mind finding a Type 3 WaJo, but won't hold my breath. Lol

Thanks
Chad