Photograph Authentication: Am I right or Wrong?

[drcy]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Just because there is text on the image, it doesn't necessarily mean it was from a duplicate negative. The text could be written directly to a glass negative during the processing of the image.

Correct. I was going to say that. The OP should post some images.

Also, age is also important to value. And old second-generation photo can have vale.

[drcy]

I just looked at the other thread. They are likely type III. It's a nice collection, and photos with images used on the cards should bring a premium.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by drcy

I just looked at the other thread. They are likely type III. It's a nice collection, and photos with images used on the cards should bring a premium.

John,
I know you are new to net54...
David's expertise when it comes to photos is certainly one of the most educated on net54.
If it were me looking for answers, David is the Answer Man!

[Johnphotoman]

Thanks to all, I am not selling now, but someday. Right now I am putting together photos with the bb cards that match. It is a lot of fun. I just think they are cool. All I wanted from the people I talked to was...what were they, who took them, and in what year, not what type of value they have.

Yes, value always comes into play, but it is about the fun of the hunt. That being said, I have people who have first knowledge about collection these..
and said they are, either Premium Press Photos, Team Issue Photo, Player Picture Pack Photo issued sold at Stadium. I Was told that they were not mass-produced. And that not many were produced, a limited number making them rare.

The years were most likely the 1940s and 1950s because of the style. I have even purchased some more photos like the ones I have that are not in my collection. They are hard to find. I can find baseball cards that match the photos much easier. Thanks John.

[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by drcy

I just looked at the other thread. They are likely type III. It's a nice collection, and photos with images used on the cards should bring a premium.

Thanks for all the info, but I still do not understand what makes them type 3. I just want to understand the types of photos at this point. Because if it is the text on them, who am I to believe, the one who says the text on photos makes them a type 3. Or the one who says just because there is text on photos does not make them type 3.

If it is age, well they have been in my family since 1965. And I have had people tell me some of the photos- are definitely from the 1940s because they have collected them first hand, around that time, or someone in their family did pick them up in the 1940s. So what makes them type 3? Thanks John.

[drcy]

I don't doubt their age, and assumed they were vintage. Type III means they're period.

As I've seen these types of photos before, I assumed they were the type where you bought them or the negatives from a catalog, and the negatives were likey copy negatives.

I actually don't know, and was just glancing at the photos. Is it possible they or some of them are Type 1. Yes, that's possible.

[drcy]

Also realize that your photos appear to be commercial items-- via catalog or whatever. Most commercial baseball photos are type III. N172 Old Judges, Gypsie Queens, T200 Fatimas, etc.

So for commercial items, advertising baseball photo postcards, and photographic trading cards and premiums, being type III is the norm. By the same token that Topps cards are lithographic copies of photos, and the 1952 and 53 Topps aren't original paintings but litho copies of paintings

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by drcy

Also realize that your photos appear to be commercial items-- via catalog or whatever. Most commercial baseball photos are type III. N172 Old Judges, Gypsie Queens, T200 Fatimas, etc.

So for commercial items, advertising baseball photo postcards, and photographic trading cards and premiums, being type III is the norm. By the same token that Topps cards are lithographic copies of photos, and the 1952 and 53 Topps aren't original paintings but litho copies of paintings

David,

My response in the other thread.

These were not limited to baseball. There were also Olympians - Bob Mathias and Barney Ewell come to mind. I believe there were also some made for football players. You are incorrect in calling them autographs. It is the athletes name printed in a readable cursive/script style. Most of them were mass produced photos for sale to the public. I believe you could purchase them from the back of Sporting News and other publications. Yes, they were originally printed around the period that the photos were taken however, I have seen newer versions of these probably/possibly printed in the 1970's or 1980's. Without feeling the paper it is impossible to tell. I had, at one time, a copy of the Ewell photo autographed by him. It was this style but probably a later reprint.

[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by Michael B

David,

My response in the other thread.

These were not limited to baseball. There were also Olympians - Bob Mathias and Barney Ewell come to mind. I believe there were also some made for football players. You are incorrect in calling them autographs. It is the athletes name printed in a readable cursive/script style. Most of them were mass produced photos for sale to the public. I believe you could purchase them from the back of Sporting News and other publications. Yes, they were originally printed around the period that the photos were taken however, I have seen newer versions of these probably/possibly printed in the 1970's or 1980's. Without feeling the paper it is impossible to tell. I had, at one time, a copy of the Ewell photo autographed by him. It was this style but probably a later reprint.

Football players, yes I think I have 4 football players in the collection, and they are the same as the baseball cards. I did not think to add them here, because this is about baseball. I will try and post them. I am new to all this, so still getting the hang of how it all works. This is the second time someone has said, Type 3 period pieces, what does this term mean? I am guessing a Type 3 photo, produced in the year or period they were taken. Thanks for all the great info.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Michael B

David,

My response in the other thread.

These were not limited to baseball. There were also Olympians - Bob Mathias and Barney Ewell come to mind. I believe there were also some made for football players. You are incorrect in calling them autographs. It is the athletes name printed in a readable cursive/script style. Most of them were mass produced photos for sale to the public. I believe you could purchase them from the back of Sporting News and other publications. Yes, they were originally printed around the period that the photos were taken however, I have seen newer versions of these probably/possibly printed in the 1970's or 1980's. Without feeling the paper it is impossible to tell. I had, at one time, a copy of the Ewell photo autographed by him. It was this style but probably a later reprint.

Yup, Boxers, wrestlers, etc...also.