And it's in, Ortiz has been elected to the Hall

[G1911]

Where was the outrage for the other players who failed in 2003 and are still being kept out of the hall? Ortiz’s actions are now “courageous” while every other roider is still a cheater? When these are the arguments to try and justify the obvious, you know there’s no logical counterpoint.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Wasn't Pedro on the list?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wasn't Pedro on the list?

I watched Pedro give an interview when he was trying to sell his book. He openly admitted he and the entire team was on PEDs. It was hilarious because the interviewer was doing everything he could to get Pedro to STFU. Pedro just kept running his mouth about a specific time when the whole team took PEDs together before a playoff game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I watched Pedro give an interview when he was trying to sell his book. He openly admitted he and the entire team was on PEDs. It was hilarious because the interviewer was doing everything he could to get Pedro to STFU. Pedro just kept running his mouth about a specific time when the whole team took PEDs together before a playoff game.

Everything I have seen from Pedro is a denial. Odd. I have seen him claim 60 percent of baseball was using, but not an admission about himself, to the contrary.

[G1911]

Where is this video of Pedro admitting to use?

His name, as far as I can tell, was on a 2003 list that appeared on the internet with no sourcing or validation, not the apparently valid leak to the Times that Ortiz’ test became known from.

Can sourcing for these allegations be shared?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Everything I have seen from Pedro is a denial. Odd. I have seen him claim 60 percent of baseball was using, but not an admission about himself, to the contrary.

It was after he was already in the HOF so he probably didn't care anymore.

Originally Posted by G1911

Where is this video of Pedro admitting to use?

His name, as far as I can tell, was on a 2003 list that appeared on the internet with no sourcing or validation, not the apparently valid leak to the Times that Ortiz’ test became known from.

Can sourcing for these allegations be shared?

It was an interview before a game on FOX. Not sure how to find it and am not going to waste my time looking. I have no reason to lie about it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It was after he was already in the HOF so he probably didn't care anymore.



It was an interview before a game on FOX. Not sure how to find it and am not going to waste my time looking. I have no reason to lie about it.

I am not accusing you of lying. This is a new claim I have not heard before, asking for the evidence is not a criticism. If it's on video this should have been significant news among at least a subset of baseball fans. I can find no record of this.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It was after he was already in the HOF so he probably didn't care anymore.

It was an interview before a game on FOX. Not sure how to find it and am not going to waste my time looking. I have no reason to lie about it.

To make it worth your while, I'll transfer $100 to your PayPal account today if you post a link to the video you describe.

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I watched Pedro give an interview when he was trying to sell his book. He openly admitted he and the entire team was on PEDs. It was hilarious because the interviewer was doing everything he could to get Pedro to STFU. Pedro just kept running his mouth about a specific time when the whole team took PEDs together before a playoff game.

I'm assuming you're talking about when Pedro said that before playoff games in 2004, the team would take a shot of alcohol and that Manny Ramirez would put Viagra in them. Something that is not banned and enhances a different kind of performance.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BCauley

I'm assuming you're talking about when Pedro said that before playoff games in 2004, the team would take a shot of alcohol and that Manny Ramirez would put Viagra in them. Something that is not banned and enhances a different kind of performance.

Yes and no. The version I watched he also talked about some type of PED Manny was bringing back from the DR and was also putting in it.

EDIT: To add, I don't care if he did PEDs I just don't like that he got in and arguably the GOAT pitcher and one of the best offensive players off all time didn't. Hell I think PEDs should be mandatory as it was a much better game when they didn't have to hide it and do untested PEDs that don't show up in tests like they do now.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Yes and no. The version I watched he also talked about some type of PED Manny was bringing back from the DR and was also putting in it.

So, while promoting his book in which he vehemently denied taking PEDs, he did an interview admitting he took PEDs? That makes no sense.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

So, while promoting his book in which he vehemently denied taking PEDs, he did an interview admitting he took PEDs? That makes no sense.

Maybe he was just trying to get people to buy the book. I have no idea I just know what he said.

Even if it was just(LOL) alcohol and Viagra how is that not distribution and consuming an prescription DRUG that is also a performance enhancer? That is several felony drug counts for us normal people.

I am still waiting on an explanation from the pro Ortiz crowd about his amazing year at 40 years old.