B/S/T Question - OT

[Tyruscobb]

I understand not posting the negotiated final sale price, especially if the final sale price is lower than the original list price, because that is the seller’s and buyer’s ultimate business.

However, why delete the original price that the seller posted for the entire form to see when listing the card? The original listing price should always remain. People have already seen it. It was not a secret. It’s just a secret to those that did not see the listing until after the card sold. Just list sold, but keep the original price.

[Bigdaddy]

Maybe the first reply to every sales thread should quote the original post with the prices.

Just sayin'

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Maybe the first reply to every sales thread should quote the original post with the prices.

Just sayin'

Just sayin' that's not going to happen.
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[G1911]

Are people really using BST asking prices as a tool to evaluate value? I love the BST and have got a fair number of cards from it, but you can't really pull data effectively from it's records to view sold listings of a card, there is a small volume of listings, and almost all deals are closed over the phone/email/DM's so you basically never know what it closed at, and often if it closed at all. I don't see how this is effective except for perhaps an edge case of a card that doesn't come to market with any frequency, and there is nothing else to go off of.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by G1911

Are people really using BST asking prices as a tool to evaluate value? I love the BST and have got a fair number of cards from it, but you can't really pull data effectively from it's records to view sold listings of a card, there is a small volume of listings, and almost all deals are closed over the phone/email/DM's so you basically never know what it closed at, and often if it closed at all. I don't see how this is effective except for perhaps an edge case of a card that doesn't come to market with any frequency, and there is nothing else to go off of.

Yes, I look at the asking price and if it says sold I expect to pay something similar if I find a comparable example. The cards I'm looking at are low dollar transactions so the negotiation of a lower price will not be very material to be honest. Most of the cards I'm looking at buying are going to sell between $20 - $200 at the most so there isn't a ton of wiggle room really. I'm not looking at sales data when the asking price is in the thousands. When I see those asking prices I assume there is some negotiation and the actual sale price could be considerably lower than the posted price on the BST. I always assume there was a deal made, especially if the card has been sitting on the BST for a long time and then suddenly sells. But to answer your question, yes, I use asking prices as a barometer for what I expect to buy a card for in my price range.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Are people really using BST asking prices as a tool to evaluate value? I love the BST and have got a fair number of cards from it, but you can't really pull data effectively from it's records to view sold listings of a card, there is a small volume of listings, and almost all deals are closed over the phone/email/DM's so you basically never know what it closed at, and often if it closed at all. I don't see how this is effective except for perhaps an edge case of a card that doesn't come to market with any frequency, and there is nothing else to go off of.

It's a piece of information. Not perfect, but better than nothing. Just like OBO listings on eBay. Take that information and put it together with information from other sources and you can generally get an estimate of a cards value.

[frankbmd]

If you want to know what one of my cards sells for, just buy it.

[ALBB]

Question -
Does that " try not to bump your thread more then once every three days"
apply to the auction section also ?

I seem to recall seeing auction bumps..as much as twice in ONE day ?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If you want to know what one of my cards sells for, just buy it.

I've often heard the question asked by the OP.

Rarely has anyone answered it better than Frank did here.

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

if you want to know what one of my cards sells for, just buy it.

this....100%

[Fred]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
Maybe the first reply to every sales thread should quote the original post with the prices.

Originally Posted by Leon

Just sayin' that's not going to happen.

Leon,

There have been threads in the past regarding BST etiquette and rules. Perhaps you can sticky this at the top of the BST thread for all to understand. However, I never thought about the Bigdaddy post (quote the original post in a response). I thought that was kind of clever but you're saying no? Just curious, what's the rationale for saying "that's not going to happen"? It sounds like a BST rule that I wasn't aware of in the past.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
Maybe the first reply to every sales thread should quote the original post with the prices.

Leon,

There have been threads in the past regarding BST etiquette and rules. Perhaps you can sticky this at the top of the BST thread for all to understand. However, I never thought about the Bigdaddy post (quote the original post in a response). I thought that was kind of clever but you're saying no? Just curious, what's the rationale for saying "that's not going to happen"? It sounds like a BST rule that I wasn't aware of in the past.

So that would be manipulating the system, imo. I have dealt with this exact same thing and took care of it before. Whether a seller leaves up a price or not is THEIR decision not some idiot thinking they are being sly and quoting them. It reminds me when another member got banned...sort of the same thing. He screwed with me thinking he was sly. He WAS sly and WAS banned. He wasn't that sly

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[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Leon

So that would be manipulating the system, imo. I have dealt with this exact same thing and took care of it before. Whether a seller leaves up a price or not is THEIR decision not some idiot thinking they are being sly and quoting them. It reminds me when another member got banned...sort of the same thing. He screwed with me thinking he was sly. He WAS sly and WAS banned. He wasn't that sly

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Thanks for all you do Leon, to keep this forum civil and on target.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fred

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
Maybe the first reply to every sales thread should quote the original post with the prices.




Leon,

There have been threads in the past regarding BST etiquette and rules. Perhaps you can sticky this at the top of the BST thread for all to understand. However, I never thought about the Bigdaddy post (quote the original post in a response). I thought that was kind of clever but you're saying no? Just curious, what's the rationale for saying "that's not going to happen"? It sounds like a BST rule that I wasn't aware of in the past.

Another problem would be all the thread bumping to "save" the asking price. We have way too much of that now. Yes Leon we know you posted to contact you but no one wants to be the Jose Canseco rat bastard of Net54.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Another problem would be all the thread bumping to "save" the asking price. We have way too much of that now. Yes Leon we know you posted to contact you but no one wants to be the Jose Canseco rat bastard of Net54.

Anyone PM'ing me stays anonymous. I get them frequently and have never divulged whom I get information from. It's not tattling, it's helping to keep the place a good venue. Anarchy doesn't rule and I appreciate, very much, the PMs...
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[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

I understand not posting the negotiated final sale price, especially if the final sale price is lower than the original list price, because that is the seller’s and buyer’s ultimate business.

However, why delete the original price that the seller posted for the entire form to see when listing the card? The original listing price should always remain. People have already seen it. It was not a secret. It’s just a secret to those that did not see the listing until after the card sold. Just list sold, but keep the original price.

That's been my view as well. I do not sell often on the b/s/t, but I keep the original asking price up after sale unless the buyer asks me to remove it. As a buyer, I have never asked that the sale price be deleted, although it often is by the seller. I assume he has his reasons, but I would prefer it remain. I have not insisted that it stay, and wonder if that would bother or make a difference to the seller.

[bnorth]

The removing of prices doesn't bother me as much as the same few sellers that bump their listings daily. Sometimes multiple times a day to stay at the top of the page. The BIN listings that very rarely sell in the auction section that get listed over and over and over also make me shake my head.

Here is a card you can purchase in the BST section.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The removing of prices doesn't bother me as much as the same few sellers that bump their listings daily. Sometimes multiple times a day to stay at the top of the page. The BIN listings that very rarely sell in the auction section that get listed over and over and over also make me shake my head.

Here is a card you can purchase in the BST section.

I don't understand posts like this. If someone bumps a their thread more than once every 3 days, PM me and they will stop. There isn't a written rule, might need to be, but bumping more than once every 3 days is too much to me...
Members can let the thread sit a few days and then bump it. It will still be on the front page.

Also, Please PM me of folks listing the same type items in 3+ threads in the same section at the same time. Members should condense them and just name each card in the subject title.


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