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Historical precedence and deadpan humor, probably.
"Monday" is a running joke in SGC circles.
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Hopefully their announcement will be that they will be grading at the National This Year. I was very disappointed they didn’t grade at Last Years National in Chicago.
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Totally agree. Spoke at length with Peter regarding this and he defended his position tooth and nail like his life depended on it.
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Brian, what was his reasoning behind it?
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He was adamant that if they accepted submissions at the National that they would fall behind in Florida. He was so concerned with protecting turnaround times (which have increased since the National) that they were willing to sacrifice new business. Bold statement and position, some argued it was the responsible thing to do...
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SGC in 2022
I had pretty much used PSA for card grading in the past, but sent my 2nd submission to SGC in December. Generally, I was pretty satisfied with the turnaround time and I thought the grading was accurate. However, I did have one card that appeared to be damaged in the process of incapsulation. I tried to contact them by both email and phone but no response. That was at least 3 weeks ago. So, better communication would be my #1 goal for SGC in 2022.
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SCG T205 Cobb
I was contemplating posting a SCG 3 T205 Cobb on the B/S/T forum but if it not worth the price of a PSA 3, I'll keep it--
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They both/all screw up - more than they should - but to me PSA messes up way more and more egregiously and their grading is totally inconsistent, both currently and current compared to past. Never get cheated! (Unless you are trying to get obvious reprints graded as authentic) |
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Grading standards at SGC
Do folks feel SGC is grading vintage differently now? Perhaps more strictly than in times past?
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Not just vintage. I think they have tightened their entire grading process. I’ll find out just how much in 45-50 days. They just received 6 cards from me yesterday.
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IMO, both PSA and SGC should change their grading write up criteria. When was the last time you saw anything graded with a crease at a 3? The write ups on a "4" are listed below from SGC
4 QUALITY VG/EX DESCRIPTION 85/15 or better centering, corners are slightly rounded with modest surface wear. Light hairline crease may show on one or both sides. A light tear or surface break may exist. When was the last time you saw this grading as a 4? PSA states a light crease may be present on a PSA 4.....on a PSA 4? That type of grading hasn't happened since the 90's. I hope they grade cards based on their own standards soon. Bob |
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I was actually very confident they weren't trimmed once I got them in hand a long time ago.
I don't know the answer to if it's stricter or not. I understand arguments both for and against slightly easier standards for a 1909 T206 card as well, given limited printing capabilities of the time inhabitance in a pack of tobacco. I thought the Schlei could have graded even higher to be honest.
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Hopefully they go bankrupt this year
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