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I think some NFTs make sense, even a lot of sense. I think NFTs are similar to trade marks or copywrites, which are hardly novel. Trade Mark is defined as "A name, symbol, or other device used to identify and promote a product or service, especially an officially registered name or symbol that is thereby protected against use by others." A trade mark is an ownership interest in an intangible item, and it has value -- the Nike Swoosh, Tony the Tiger, the McDonalds Arch, etc. There is no inherent value in the Nike Swoosh, and it can be seen everywhere and be reproduced easily, but that sucker is a worth a buttload!
A copywrite is defined as "the exclusive legal right to reproduce, publish, sell, or distribute the matter and form of something (such as a literary, musical, or artistic work)". You can hear Hey Jude by the Beatles all over the radio. You can sing it yourself and learn it on the guitar. Yet someone owns the rights to that song and can license it and make real money. Plus, there is substantial value in owning the rights to Hey Jude To me, NFTs are the "tangible" property version of a trade mark or copywrite. Take, for example, NFTs that are artwork or symbols. These make sense to me and I understand why they could have value. For example, you can see the image of Starry Night by Van Gogh everywhere and there are a zillion reproductions/copies. Yet there is only one original Starry Night by Van Gogh, and that original is priceless. Thus, if an artwork NFT was ever to gain huge popularity, I think having the original/the only actual would be very valuable, both in its own right and for licensing purposes. Suppose someone created an NFT that served as the symbol for the BLM movement or the LBGQ rainbow. Even though the symbol is used everywhere and can be recreated easily, having the original/the actual NFT would have real value. Thus, I understand this aspect of NFTs and why/how they can have value. THAT SAID, here is what I think does not make sense with NFTs: 1. They are relatively easy to make and there are so many of them being made. I dont know the percentage, but I would guess that less than 0.01% of all original artwork being produced today will be worth in a year (let alone 10 years) what it sells for in a gallery today; indeed, it may be relatively worthless. I fear there are so many NFTs out there, and more being made all the time, that everyone is rushing to own one (or more) and nobody will eventually care about a monkey with a blue beanie, just as nobody cares about another landscape painted in oil. Some NFTs will have major value, but I think it will be a very small percent and who knows which ones that will be. 2. I totally do not understand the plays/video clips. You are not going to license a block by Zion and you can find it all over the internet and who cares, let alone understands, that you "own" that video clip. To me, this is not like digital art or a symbol. I do not understand them Last edited by Rhotchkiss; 01-18-2022 at 01:23 PM. |
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Not really into the NFT thinking myself because they aren't tangible items, but I think I can understand where you're coming from. It's something like saying that '52 Topps Mantle cards are all valuable, but there is only one '52 Mantle card that was the very first to ever be printed and come off the production line. And if that first ever one could be identified and verified, it could be worth even more money to at least some people. Am I on the right line of thinking? If so, I wonder if the card companies ever thought of maybe taking the first ever sheet(s) of cards they produce for every set and begin setting them aside for some later promotion or sale as the designated first ever cards produced. Modern card production seems to be mostly about manufactured rarities. Well here's another type of rarity they've actually been producing all along, just never recognized and took advantage of before. People often collect milestone examples of things, ticket stubs from games where milestones are achieved, the actual ball hit or pitched for the milestone, etc. Along with designating the the first ever of each card produced, they could do the same thing at say the 1 millionth of each card produced. There's bound to be some suckers.......errrrrr, collectors that will happily pay more for that milestone card. These NFTs seem to be somewhat along the same lines then. But here's a legal question then. If you do acquire an NFT, and then see someone posting or using an image of it elsewhere, can you take them to court to have it removed or taken down since they used it without having first gotten your permission to do so as the NFT owner? Or even better, if the party using an NFT image you own uses it without your permission, and they are in whatever manning somehow making money off that NFT image, can you also sue them for the profits they've earned off it (or at least some share of it)? And how does that work if someone posts and uses your NFT image without your permission, and then someone else besides them copies, re-sends, or otherwise uses that unauthorized image and somehow makes money off of it, can you as the NFT owner go after and sue these secondary users also? Or is my original thinking correct, and owning an NFT is like owning the first ever '52 Topps Mantle card ever produced? Anyone else can have and use their '52 Topps Mantle card any way they like, but you only own the first one produced, and have no say or control over what everyone else does with their own copy of the card. |
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Bob, I think thats a reasonable comparison. Or, consider original negative of a very famous photo. Imagine you had the negative of Ruth bowing out in his last game. The actual negative. You could make a millions pics off it, but there is only one negative. I think thats what an NFT is like, except its not tangible, its digital. But you can take it to another level - I can produce 20 photos from the negative, label them 1-20 and then destroy the negative or somehow retire it so more pics can be made. You can do this with an NFT too - make a limited edition/run, 1 of 20 of the same thing. Or, you can make some dumb monkey with 85 different hats on and sell each one of those hat-monkeys as an NFT that is part of the larger monkey-hat run. I am not saying this is a good buy, but only trying to explain, in somewhat "earthly" terms, what I think an NFT is.
And, as the owner, I think you would be able to bring actions against people who used your NFT without licensing it/permission; just like if someone used my painting or song in a commercial or movie. |
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I agree that there is value in having the original. The issue with NFT’s is that ppl think they own the jpeg or video which isn’t actually true. The NFT is stored on a server somewhere and the address is stored on the blockchain in a smart contract which is what you actually buy. If the server crashed or shutdown or the file is deleted/moved then your nft is gone. All you are buying is a number that points to a server somewhere that tells you what resides there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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First off, if I pay some ridiculous amount of money for an NFT, why can't I have it moved and stored on a server I own and/control, or can I? And even if I do have it moved, how can I be sure that the NFT from the original server was not somehow copied and saved on that original server, or elsewhere? I guess I would simply have to take someone's word for it, right? Unlike buying say a T205 Addie Joss card and knowing I, and I alone have it, as I actually hold the card in my hand when delivered. Secondly, if I can't have it moved, I'm sure I'll be told not to worry, computer technology and safeties are in place so I shouldn't ever have any fears or concerns when it comes to my NFT, and reports, documents or verifications I need to feel safe and secure are available from whoever does own/control the server my NFT is stored in. Yeah, just like people that invested with Bernie Madoff or owned stock in Enron could count on those computer generated reports and data to give them that warm and fuzzy feeling that their records and investments were safe and secure. And those were in industries that are highly regulated and subject to specific governmental department (SEC) oversight. And thirdly, continuing from my last comment, many people would likely argue and say NFTs aren't really all that different from investing in the stock market. You own an intangible interest in something you never really physically see, own, or touch, and record keeping of your ownership is electronically maintained by massive companies and their computer systems, and Wall Street in general. But the entire system and industry is subject to relentless scrutiny and oversight by the government, specifically the SEC, along with other independent groups and watchdogs, like independent CPAs. And who, or what part of the government, is watching over these NFTs and this entirely new digital market, that suddenly arose seemingly out of nowhere, to make sure that people buying into it aren't getting taken advantage of or ripped off? Exactly!!! Already mentioned the physical advantage of owning and being able to hold and control a T205 Joss card versus owning an NFT. So fourthly, I can also call an insurance company to show and send them a picture of my Joss card, and have it insured for theft, loss, damage, and so on. Can you do that with an NFT, especially if it is not stored on a server you own or control? And assuming an insurance company did agree to cover your NFT, exactly how would that insurance company value it, and possibly pay off on such a claim if say your 1/1 NFT of Gronk doing something idiotic at a party, that you stupidly paid.........errrrrr, smartly invested $50,000 for, was somehow suddenly erased from the server it was on? Especially when a claims agent can probably just go online and literally find hundreds of images of Gronk acting like an idiot, and simply ask you how many different images of him being an idiot would you like him/her to download and send to you to replace the one you lost. Or maybe even worse for you, the claims agent goes online and finds a copy of the exact image you lost, and simply downloads and emails it to you, along with a simple message, "Claim Closed!". Regardless, not sure why an insurer would agree to just give what you willingly paid someone else for it, especially if you haven't been able to use the NFT to generate income to file a loss of revenue type of claim for, or show there is an established secondary market, and therefore, a discernible value to be able to determine for it. At least that's maybe one more advantage I can see for physically owning a T205 Joss card, ease in getting it insured by a reputable insurance company. I'm concerned these NFTs may eventually turn out to be a lot like all the GU cards they started producing back in the '90s. They started out as something new, real popular, and somewhat valuable, so the card companies kept churning more and more of them out for the same players over and over again. It has gotten to the point where if you go to a show, you'll see dealers with boxes of old game used cards they can't seem to give away today. So what's to stop that from happening with all the GU and limited edition cards they're still turning out for all the current player's eventually? There will always a few such cards that will retain their value, and possibly appreciate some over time. But I think that will mostly be limited to some of the very elite players, especially in regards to older players like Cobb, Ruth, or Wagner. In regards to GU cards, players like those truly have a very limited number of verified GU bats and jerseys that can be acquired and used by the card companies. True rarities because only a few have survived till today. Nothing like the manufactured rarities the modern card companies keep spitting out day after day now. And I can see a possible course like this for NFTs, and the people currently producing and selling them. The smart ones are probably those jumping on the bandwagon to sell NFTs now, before they become overdone and saturate the market and people begin losing interest, or maybe the next big thing comes along to start replacing them. Like perhaps three dimensional holographic NFTs. Who knows, these current NFTs could turn out to be the next Betamax. Last edited by BobC; 01-19-2022 at 01:42 PM. |
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Beanie Babies bring back a lot of memories. I remember at one point, baseball cards shows also included Beanie Baby dealers. I'll never forget the time when McDonald's was giving out mini versions each week and locations were running out of them after the first couple days. My girlfriend at the time had me driving to every McDonald's within a 200 mile radius. Then we'd sell them for $20 each. I still have a large comicbook box of them, along with other random regular issues.
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That's why I alluded to an NFT as maybe like the first ever '52 Topps Mantle card to be made. You don't have the only one, just the first one. So the value is in the bragging rights of saying you have the first one. But with these digital images, exact copies can be quickly and easily made, and then forwarded to a huge, ever expanding, number of people. Not the same as owning the negative and then making prints one by one, or having someone then try making a copy from one of the prints, that will never come out as good as a print made from the original negative. I guess I'll never understand the younger generations and what they see in all these new things. Maybe that's the main problem with the world in general, things are changing too fast and too quickly. Just thinking back to when I was born in the '50s, and all the technological advances and discoveries that have occurred during my life up to now, it almost literally dwarfs all of mankind's combined previous advances and discoveries up till then. Just look how the hobby itself has changed in the last 30-40 years, and the further unknown changes coming with the Fanatic's dealings, things like these NFTs, and God knows what else. As a former colleague of mine and I always used to say to each other, "I'm getting too old for this sh#t!" |
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The value of a copyright, patent or trademark on a digital image is the right to use it and sell the right to use it. If the NFT came with the copyright so you could license it then it would have some independent value. But as they stand now, they do not, so the comparison with other forms of intellectual property is inapposite.
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Last edited by BobC; 01-19-2022 at 01:43 PM. |
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Regardless, the analogy is not perfect, but as mentioned, I am trying to explain it to “earth people”, like Bob (and me), for whom the concept of an NFT can be tough to grasp. And this analogy, while not perfect, is plenty close enough for that purpose |
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I was contacted to contribute to this article. I feel beanie babies will have a resurgence in some shape or form
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https://www.rcfp.org/artistic-photos...ate-copyright/ The Copyright Act limits the rights of a copyright owner regarding works that build upon, reinterpret, and reconceive existing works. ... The factors are "to be explored, and the results weighed together, in light of the purposes of copyright." Id. at 578, 114 S.Ct. 1164. Depending on the particular facts, some factors may weigh more heavily than others. Id. at 577-79, 114 S.Ct. 1164. The four factors we consider are: (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. Dr. Seuss, 109 F.3d at 1399-1404 (analyzing and applying 17 U.S.C. § 107)." Mattel Inc. v. Walking Mountain Productions, 353 F.3d 792 (2003)
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1) your point about supply rapidly expanding is a good one. Most NFT's will not have any reasonable secondary market, and the ones that do are considered the "blue chips" of the space. 2) You're referring to NBA Top Shot, which occupy an interesting niche in NFT's, not fully decentralized like most on Ethereum, but still digitally, verifiably scarce. I agree with you that those don't seem valuable, but then again a lot of the younger generation would blush at the prices we pay for pictures of dead guys. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
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The merging of beanie babies and NFTs? Metta World Peace (formerly Ron Artest) has started an NFT company via Dapper (home of NBATopShot and NFLAllDay) where they are minting 10,000 Meta Pandas.
For $199 they will mint you a fresh panda NFT of your own, and you also receive $199 "worth of merchandise" like swag jackets that they will mail to you. If you happen to get serial numbers ending in 37 or 96, you get some additional perks. There is a live kickoff party Friday night in LA if you happen to get randomly gifted with an invite NFT. I missed out on Bored Apes, so I bought 4. No joke. Let's see if chubby panda basketball gifs can go to the moon... ;-) www.metapandaclub.com
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Art is a terrible model. I recently had an estate to liquidate and the artwork was worth about 5% of what the owners paid for it. Very disappointing. If you catch a Basquiat early you make a fortune but 99.999% of the time it just takes up space and ends up at Goodwill.
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That doesn't really surprise me. Those were way overhyped at the time. We'll see if I just burned $800 for some leather jackets or actually turn a profit on it over time.
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Does anyone have one of Gary vees childish drawings I’d like to invest in one😊😊
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Will the person holding the last non fungible token please turn out the lights when they leave the room...
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I might be interested in one of the jackets :-)
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