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Old 01-17-2022, 02:55 PM
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Frank Isbell retired from MLB Oct 3, 1909. So, that explains why his pop report numbers are low. American Lithograph most likely stopped issuing his
cards earlier than the other 150 Series guys.

Lefty Leifield pitched for Pittsburgh till May 1912, so I have no explanation for why his SOVEREIGN 150 cards are tougher to find.

Whatever, if these extravagant prices continue for T206 SOVEREIGN cards, I may be tempted to sell my entire SOVEREIGN complete set of 408 cards.

It would be one of the best investments that I have ever made in Sportscards.





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Old 01-17-2022, 04:13 PM
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Whatever, if these extravagant prices continue for T206 SOVEREIGN cards, I may be tempted to sell my entire SOVEREIGN complete set of 408 cards.

It would be one of the best investments that I have ever made in Sportscards.

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Hi Ted, I play around with the idea of selling all my T206's at times. I have plenty of interest for many of my cards, and since 95 percent of them are non Piedmont/Sweet Caporal cards, there would be a buyer for every card. Honestly, the biggest issue is how to price them lately. If it's an auction, then it finds it's current value on it's own. But if you wanted to list a few a week with buy it now prices on Net54 or Tobacco Row on Facebook, the market is so unpredictable, and you'd want to try and get top dollar for the cards you would be selling. Auction houses would not be the greatest idea, just because of the fee's related. Plus I wouldn't want all my cards listed at once. I'd get more money selling gradually over time and I have the free time needed to scan, list, email, and send out the cards. But after thinking about it each time, I just keep adding to the set. I don't really need the money. It would buy some really nice things, but it wouldn't increase my happiness.

If I had your 408 card Sovereign group, I'd probably work on filling in the spaces, like the 350 Subject cards your missing, that you currently have the 150 Subjects of. Same thing for 460's you have and the 350's of the same card that you don't have. Excluding the Super Six, because if I remember correctly, you have the 350's and the 460's of those.
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Old 01-17-2022, 04:18 PM
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The low pops don't have anything to do with when a player retired, Isbell for example was printed with a Sovereign 350 so they didn't stop issuing his cards
after he retired.
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Old 01-17-2022, 06:48 PM
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Hi Ted, I play around with the idea of selling all my T206's at times. I have plenty of interest for many of my cards, and since 95 percent of them are non Piedmont/Sweet Caporal cards, there would be a buyer for every card. Honestly, the biggest issue is how to price them lately. If it's an auction, then it finds it's current value on it's own. But if you wanted to list a few a week with buy it now prices on Net54 or Tobacco Row on Facebook, the market is so unpredictable, and you'd want to try and get top dollar for the cards you would be selling. Auction houses would not be the greatest idea, just because of the fee's related. Plus I wouldn't want all my cards listed at once. I'd get more money selling gradually over time and I have the free time needed to scan, list, email, and send out the cards. But after thinking about it each time, I just keep adding to the set. I don't really need the money. It would buy some really nice things, but it wouldn't increase my happiness.

If I had your 408 card Sovereign group, I'd probably work on filling in the spaces, like the 350 Subject cards your missing, that you currently have the 150 Subjects of. Same thing for 460's you have and the 350's of the same card that you don't have. Excluding the Super Six, because if I remember correctly, you have the 350's and the 460's of those.

Hi Ronnie

It's amazing how you and I think alike. I have considered selling a lot of my stuff, but I enjoy this hobby too much to get serious about selling these little cardboard gems.
Besides, my Grandson Ron loves this stuff as much as I do, and he eventually will inherit most of it. I have already given him my 1952 TOPPS master set (his favorite set).

Speaking about master sets.....the All - SOVEREIGN set is totally complete with 476 cards, when you include the 350 backs of the 150 Series cards. I've chose to limit my
set to the 402 basic subjects, plus the rare 460 versions of the Six Super Prints (on display here)......


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Old 01-18-2022, 02:09 PM
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Isbell didn't retire then, that was just his last MLB game. He bought full stake in a minor league team from Wichita in mid-December of 1909 and then asked for his release from Chicago, which happened a week later. To maximize his profits, he managed and played first base for the team too.

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Frank Isbell retired from MLB Oct 3, 1909. So, that explains why his pop report numbers are low. American Lithograph most likely stopped issuing his
cards earlier than the other 150 Series guys.

Lefty Leifield pitched for Pittsburgh till May 1912, so I have no explanation for why his SOVEREIGN 150 cards are tougher to find.

Whatever, if these extravagant prices continue for T206 SOVEREIGN cards, I may be tempted to sell my entire SOVEREIGN complete set of 408 cards.

It would be one of the best investments that I have ever made in Sportscards.





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Old 01-19-2022, 09:57 AM
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I'm always surprised when veteran T206 collectors compare the printing and distribution of them to sets like Topps, Bowman, Goudey, Leaf etc...
Unlike those sets they were an advertising premium whose main purpose was to sell more cigarettes. There are a significant number of players in the set
that were retired or are represented on teams they weren't playing for at the time of distribution.
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Old 01-19-2022, 07:09 PM
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Default Sell, sell your Isbell

Back in 2006 - 2007, I think I was the first guy on this forum to have completed an (all) SOVEREIGN set of 408 subjects.
My set includes the Six Super-Prints with their rare SOVEREIGN 460 backs (the toughest of the 6 which is this red Cobb).
And, 44 more cards in the 150/350 Series (with SOVEREIGN 350 backs) in order to complete a Master set (476 cards).

Since then, I know of two other T206 collectors who have achieved this accomplishment in recent years.

So now, this SOVEREIGN Isbell card sells for an unprecedented " $889 ".....WOW !

Then can you imagine what I can get, if I consign this rare Cobb to an Auction sale (REA, ebay, etc.) ? ?

It's mind-boggling


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Old 01-19-2022, 07:15 PM
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You can at least get $879 for an Isbell Sovereign 150, that’s what the underbid was. Hope that assists with pricing.
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Old 01-19-2022, 07:15 PM
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Ted! I miss the Cobb 460 card I sold you! LOL! Marc
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:49 PM
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Ted! I miss the Cobb 460 card I sold you! LOL! Marc
Hey Marc

Occasionally, I like to post it......Leon says we should display a BB card with our posts, and what Leon suggests is fine with me

This SOVEREIGN 460 Cobb is my favorite in my set....it's not going anywhere.

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Just an observation I wanted to share.
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