OT: 3.5 Million Dollar Scam - Pokemon Cards Certified by BBCE

Peter_Spaeth · #1 01-17-2022, 10:04 AM

Thanks to a Blowout member, here's a comprehensive article on this mess.

I'll post in both threads since we can't seem to unify them.

https://www.cardlines.com/logan-paul...hensive-guide/

Frank A · #2 01-17-2022, 10:21 AM

I can't help it, but I find something fishy about this whole deal. A group of guys pay over 3 million dollars for an unopened box and can't wait to open it. BS. There is no card in the set worth anything near that. Then one of them does the jumping around overacting deal. All to staged looking for me. Something fishy went on with that case. I don't believe it a bit.

Eric72 · #3 01-17-2022, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank A

I can't help it, but I find something fishy about this whole deal. A group of guys pay over 3 million dollars for an unopened box and can't wait to open it. BS. There is no card in the set worth anything near that. Then one of them does the jumping around overacting deal. All to staged looking for me. Something fishy went on with that case. I don't believe it a bit.

Leaving aside every other component of this situation, I will say this:

For TCGs, and unopened product generally, there is a divergence between the value of sealed packs/boxes/cases and the expected value of the cards inside. The gap widens as the product ages.

hcv123 · #4 01-17-2022, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank A

I can't help it, but I find something fishy about this whole deal. A group of guys pay over 3 million dollars for an unopened box and can't wait to open it. BS. There is no card in the set worth anything near that. Then one of them does the jumping around overacting deal. All to staged looking for me. Something fishy went on with that case. I don't believe it a bit.

Did they make a video about this that would draw viewers? Absolutely. That said no way in hell it's "staged"

Steve Hart and BBCE have just taken a HUGE reputation hit - no way he agrees for that to happen for a stunt. Secondly - Steve has now publicly stated he is no longer authenticating Pokemon product. Why did it get opened? I suspect Logan Paul started looking at some of what was posted about this case which he may have been unaware of before he bought it. There is another "unopened" case that has one side of the top flap cut open to show the real boxes inside. I do presume Logan already had a commitment from his friend who he bought it from to refund if they were no good. I also suspect he would have kept the case intact with a single flap opened like the other if the boxes looked legit.

You can see the bus coming at you - "not believe" it's a bus and it's still going to run you over!

Peter_Spaeth · #5 01-17-2022, 12:02 PM

I wonder if Steve was made aware of the barcode and label issues between the time he authenticated the case and the video fiasco.

Eric72 · #6 01-17-2022, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wonder if Steve was made aware of the barcode and label issues between the time he authenticated the case and the video fiasco.

Hard to believe he'd voluntarily take part in that video had he discovered the case was likely a fabrication.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 01-17-2022, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72

Hard to believe he'd voluntarily take part in that video had he discovered the case was likely a fabrication.

Right, which means San and Logan withheld the information from him. THEY knew the odds were this was going to be a bust, but led him on. With respect to Howard and others, something is just off about that video.

vintagetoppsguy · #8 01-17-2022, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, which means San and Logan withheld the information from him. THEY knew the odds were this was going to be a bust, but led him on. With respect to Howard and others, something is just off about that video.

IMO, you're reading too much into it. If they would have divulged that info to Steve/BBCE beforehand, it's likely that he wouldn't have met with them. That's just my $.02.

japhi · #9 01-17-2022, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Right, which means San and Logan withheld the information from him. THEY knew the odds were this was going to be a bust, but led him on. With respect to Howard and others, something is just off about that video.

All the information on the case was available online. Going in to that video it was widely known the case had serious issues. Further, provenance on the case was brutal. I think Steve is a hobby good guy, but if he was blindsided by this then I question his approach to authentication and wonder if he owns a computer.

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