OT: 3.5 Million Dollar Scam - Pokemon Cards Certified by BBCE

Snowman · #1 01-16-2022, 07:20 PM

As far as the Mantle /Griffey card, again, no difference to me which one of them signed the card on which dates. It's on my wish list, and I couldn't give two f***s about whether it was signed by both at the same time or by one of them in 1994 and the other in 1997. Who cares? And if you do care, why? What difference does it make as long as it's signed by both? I would pay the same price either way.

swarmee · #2 01-16-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Who cares? And if you do care, why? What difference does it make as long as it's signed by both? I would pay the same price either way.

Because how do you know that any of them are actually signed by them anymore? That's the problem. The PSA 10 on the flip is supposed to give you that confidence, but it's a lie. At least on that card, since it's pre-1998, requires PSA/DNA to confirm the auto is authentic (or at least as PSA can come close).

On this 2001 Pujols auto, which has a nonstandard auto for the year when the card was released, PSA didn't even evaluate the auto. But their PSA 10 grade would make a buyer think that since the card originally came autographed, that it has the original autograph. PSA AUTH ALTERED AUTO 10 would be more accurate, presuming the Pujols auto was even done by him.

Someone earlier asked why the serial number would have been wiped and redone. One reason would be so that it couldn't have been as easily traced by serial number to previous cards pictured on the internet. Some very high value Trout autographs were exposed as wiped and resigned based on photo matches to previous sales. Once they've been wiped and re-signed, which does constitute alteration no matter how much you whine, PSA ignores the auto when giving the card grade. That's just a terrible business practice for the "world's leader in sports authentication." It's incompetent.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 01-16-2022, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Because how do you know that any of them are actually signed by them anymore? That's the problem. The PSA 10 on the flip is supposed to give you that confidence, but it's a lie. At least on that card, since it's pre-1998, requires PSA/DNA to confirm the auto is authentic (or at least as PSA can come close).

On this 2001 Pujols auto, which has a nonstandard auto for the year when the card was released, PSA didn't even evaluate the auto. But their PSA 10 grade would make a buyer think that since the card originally came autographed, that it has the original autograph. PSA AUTH ALTERED AUTO 10 would be more accurate, presuming the Pujols auto was even done by him.

Someone earlier asked why the serial number would have been wiped and redone. One reason would be so that it couldn't have been as easily traced by serial number to previous cards pictured on the internet. Some very high value Trout autographs were exposed as wiped and resigned based on photo matches to previous sales. Once they've been wiped and re-signed, which does constitute alteration no matter how much you whine, PSA ignores the auto when giving the card grade. That's just a terrible business practice for the "world's leader in sports authentication." It's incompetent.

To test the proposition being floated by our contrarian, do you think a PSA AUTH ALTERED AUTO 10 would sell for the same price as a PSA 10? Something tells me no.

swarmee · #4 01-16-2022, 07:56 PM

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To test the proposition being floated by our contrarian, do you think a PSA AUTH ALTERED AUTO 10 would sell for the same price as a PSA 10? Something tells me no.

Well, of course not. But we should take this to another thread and get back to talking about a falsely authenticated $3.5 million dollar error by a connected company. Or I should just put Snowbuddy back on my ignore list.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 01-16-2022, 08:03 PM

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Well, of course not. But we should take this to another thread and get back to talking about a falsely authenticated $3.5 million dollar error by a connected company. Or I should just put Snowbuddy back on my ignore list.

Well, it seems that discussion has played out given that nobody seems to be continuing it.

It seems to me that if the two cards don't sell for the same price, and I would bet a lot you are right, then the market (overall) does care.

bnorth · #6 01-16-2022, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To test the proposition being floated by our contrarian, do you think a PSA AUTH ALTERED AUTO 10 would sell for the same price as a PSA 10? Something tells me no.

If the altered card is just labeled as a 10 it would probably sell for more because his newer auto looks so much nicer.

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Well, of course not. But we should take this to another thread and get back to talking about a falsely authenticated $3.5 million dollar error by a connected company. Or I should just put Snowbuddy back on my ignore list.

The majority has spoken. Steve is a good guy and several are heavily invested in his product so this is a nothing burger just like every PSA "mistake".

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