***Lost 1888 N162 Goodwin Champs King Kelly - PSA 3 (MK)

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit! The packaging is untouched, I’d acquit the post office, this seems like a seller issue.

[cammb]

Maybe seller wanted to back out of deal and went through this charade. How do you explain am immediate refund?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by cammb

Maybe seller wanted to back out of deal and went through this charade. How do you explain am immediate refund?

Bingo was his name-o. That immediacy makes no sense.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Bingo was his name-o.

Darren, what’s the term for sending an empty box?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

Darren, what’s the term for sending an empty box?

I've been taking notes on a wide variety of things for my next round of 'Collectorisms,' and you can be sure that one is on the list.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I've been taking notes on a wide variety of things for my next round of 'Collectorisms,' and you can be sure that one is on the list.

A box of air?

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I've been taking notes on a wide variety of things for my next round of 'Collectorisms,' and you can be sure that one is on the list.

Airboxing?

Peek-a-boo-box?

Pretend-a-thief’ing?

[wolf441]

I hope the seller checked his trash. I've almost sealed up an envelope before inserting the card when trying to ship and multi-task.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit! The packaging is untouched, I’d acquit the post office, this seems like a seller issue.

I was once getting a new passport for one of my bosses. We went to the post office, got the paperwork all done, and sealed in an envelope by the postal service clerk.

I then took that envelope to fedex to express overnight to my passport people (pre-zombie apocalypse I could usually get a passport in a couple days using "my people").

The next morning they called to say that when they opened the fedex envelope, which had no damage to it and was sealed properly, the envelope inside that had been sealed by the post office had been opened, rendering it useless for getting a passport.

So we had to do it all again.

Doug

[skelly423]

I don't know the parties involved and don't intend to libel anyone, but to me the simplest explanation would be that the seller had a major case of seller's remorse and just sent an empty package. The (mostly) honest thing would be to send the refund, and play along with the investigation for the benefit of the buyer. I doubt we'd ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the card is still safely tucked away in the seller's collection.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by skelly423

I don't know the parties involved and don't intend to libel anyone, but to me the simplest explanation would be that the seller had a major case of seller's remorse and just sent an empty package. The (mostly) honest thing would be to send the refund, and play along with the investigation for the benefit of the buyer. I doubt we'd ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the card is still safely tucked away in the seller's collection.

This exactly. Can I ask what the winning bid was?? I'm thinking the seller was not happy with the final sales price.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by skelly423

I don't know the parties involved and don't intend to libel anyone, but to me the simplest explanation would be that the seller had a major case of seller's remorse and just sent an empty package. The (mostly) honest thing would be to send the refund, and play along with the investigation for the benefit of the buyer. I doubt we'd ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the card is still safely tucked away in the seller's collection.

Would it not have been simpler to just cancel the sale?

There are now several additional parties (law enforcement, PSA, USPS) involved. The cert number is now invalid. People are on the lookout for this card (both actively and passively) as though it were stolen.

If the seller did this to avoid parting with the card, they went about things in a rather foolish, needlessly over-complicated manner.

EDITED TO ADD: Not that I condone cancelling sales b/c the hammer price was lower than anticipated...

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Would it not have been simpler to just cancel the sale?

There are now several additional parties (law enforcement, PSA, USPS) involved. The cert number is now invalid. People are on the lookout for this card (both actively and passively) as though it were stolen.

If the seller did this to avoid parting with the card, they went about things in a rather foolish, needlessly over-complicated manner.

EDITED TO ADD: Not that I condone cancelling sales b/c the hammer price was lower than anticipated...

People don't always follow the smart path. That is obvious by the multitude of spouses that "off" their partners rather than simply divorce them. Americans aren't known for being smart. That is what makes those "Man on the Street" interviews so entertaining.

[skelly423]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Would it not have been simpler to just cancel the sale?

There are now several additional parties (law enforcement, PSA, USPS) involved. The cert number is now invalid. People are on the lookout for this card (both actively and passively) as though it were stolen.

If the seller did this to avoid parting with the card, they went about things in a rather foolish, needlessly over-complicated manner.

EDITED TO ADD: Not that I condone cancelling sales b/c the hammer price was lower than anticipated...

I doubt the thought process went beyond "I wish I hadn't sold that card (or I don't like the sale price I got). I'll just send an empty package and give a refund." They probably figured the refund would be where this ended. Once this was escalated, there wasn't exactly an opportunity to back out without admitting what had happened. Most crimes are not well thought out.