What does the Hall-of-Fame Tracker Indicate?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Vizquel lol.

[jayshum]

Ortiz might get in, but no one else will this year.

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Ortiz might get in, but no one else will this year.

This. The numbers always go down when the final results, including those who didn't share their ballots, are tallied. I can't say I'm surprised by this. Ortiz is beloved by many (even though I'm not a big fan), while A Rod is not. A Rod, though, was clearly the better player. So, given that they're both known to have done PEDs, why is Big Papa getting a pass and A Rod not? The voters need to make up their damn minds on how they view PED use. It should definitely not come down to arbitrary decisions.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

This. The numbers always go down when the final results, including those who didn't share their ballots, are tallied. I can't say I'm surprised by this. Ortiz is beloved by many (even though I'm not a big fan), while A Rod is not. A Rod, though, was clearly the better player. So, given that they're both known to have done PEDs, why is Big Papa getting a pass and A Rod not? The voters need to make up their damn minds on how they view PED use. It should definitely not come down to arbitrary decisions.

ARod admitted it, right? Ortiz is still in that fuzzy land of sort of denying it. As for their relative abilities, based on stats anyhow, ARod you could argue is a top 10 all time player. Ortiz off the top of my head is probably 75-100.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Vizquel lol.

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One of the best defensive shortstops ever...IMO

- not Ozzie or Belanger, but next tier at least. again IMO.



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[BobC]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

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One of the best defensive shortstops ever...IMO

- not Ozzie or Belanger, but next tier at least. again IMO.



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I think Peter may be commenting about Vizquel in light of the recent sexual abuse allegations that had come out about him.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by BobC

I think Peter may be commenting about Vizquel in light of the recent sexual abuse allegations that had come out about him.

Someone recently said, "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Saints."

[SyrNy1960]

If Ortiz gets elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year, it will be a shame.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

If Ortiz gets elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year, it will be a shame.

More like a travesty than a shame.

The the good part was when he joined the Sox his body size quickly caught up to his giant head.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

Someone recently said, "it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Saints."

I know, wasn't commenting about Vizquel, merely about Peter's comment.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by BobC

I know, wasn't commenting about Vizquel, merely about Peter's comment.

Understand. No negative intent directed any you or anyone. I'm not a tit-for-tat guy, nor do I attack anyone for their comments, opinions, or beliefs. So if someone gets offended or takes what I say personally, even though it wasn't my intent, then I have no problem apologizing. Thanks!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

Understand. No negative intent directed any you or anyone. I'm not a tit-for-tat guy, nor do I attack anyone for their comments, opinions, or beliefs. So if someone gets offended or takes what I say personally, even though it wasn't my intent, then I have no problem apologizing. Thanks!

Tony, no worries, you're fine. Didn't take anything you said as a negative. Just thought maybe some people were unaware of what has come out regarding sexual harassment and abuse allegations against Vizquel.

Totally understand and can't disagree with your comment about it being a hall of fame and not a hall of saints though. Because of the timing of these allegations, Vizquel's HOF chances are likely gone for good. But look at the situation of Roberto Alomar, his former teammate and brother of Sandy Alomar Jr., whom Vizquel also played with in Cleveland for many years. Roberto got elected to the HOF in 2011, and then the details of his sexual misconducts and other actions came out and were verified in 2014, a few years after his induction to Cooperstown. There had been rumors of such sexual misconduct prior to his HOF election, but nothing concrete or verified at the time. That, plus his incident of spitting on umpire John Hirschbeck, are what likely kept him from getting elected to the HOF in 2010, the first year he was eligible.

After the 2014 allegations came out and were investigated and verified by MLB, Alomar's position as a consultant to MLB was terminated, and he was permanently placed on MLB's ineligible list, the same list that Joe Jackson and Pete Rose are on that keeps them from getting elected to the HOF. Yet the HOF leaves Alomar's plaque on the wall, and has no plans of ever removing it. So there is a lot of truth to your comment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

I think Peter may be commenting about Vizquel in light of the recent sexual abuse allegations that had come out about him.

And before that it was his wife accusing him of abuse, right? Anyhow seems Omar's chances are nil at this point.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And before that it was his wife accusing him of abuse, right? Anyhow seems Omar's chances are nil at this point.

Absolutely crazy, he is like the last person in the world you would ever expect to hear about doing any of the things he's been accused off. His chances of ever getting in now are toast. I'm wondering if he'll even get a single actual vote this year. It's one thing to be called out as maybe the voter or two to hold out and keep someone great from being unanimously elected to the HOF. But it is a whole other thing to chance being the only voter or two to vote for someone with such accusations hanging over them. Can only imagine the public backlash someone voting for Vizquel this year could face.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by BobC

Absolutely crazy, he is like the last person in the world you would ever expect to hear about doing any of the things he's been accused off. His chances of ever getting in now are toast. I'm wondering if he'll even get a single actual vote this year. It's one thing to be called out as maybe the voter or two to hold out and keep someone great from being unanimously elected to the HOF. But it is a whole other thing to chance being the only voter or two to vote for someone with such accusations hanging over them. Can only imagine the public backlash someone voting for Vizquel this year could face.

According the the Hall of Fame Tracker site, Vizquel currently has received 17 votes from ballots that have been made public, but he has lost votes from 42 voters who had previously voted for him. No first time voters have voted for him so far. He's obviously not getting elected this year (if ever), but looks like he may make it to 5% and stay on the ballot.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jayshum

According the the Hall of Fame Tracker site, Vizquel currently has received 17 votes from ballots that have been made public, but he has lost votes from 42 voters who had previously voted for him. No first time voters have voted for him so far. He's obviously not getting elected this year (if ever), but looks like he may make it to 5% and stay on the ballot.

Huh, surprising to me. Would think a voter wouldn't want to get blasted for voting for him. Stranger things have happened. Thanks for sharing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Absolutely crazy, he is like the last person in the world you would ever expect to hear about doing any of the things he's been accused off. His chances of ever getting in now are toast. I'm wondering if he'll even get a single actual vote this year. It's one thing to be called out as maybe the voter or two to hold out and keep someone great from being unanimously elected to the HOF. But it is a whole other thing to chance being the only voter or two to vote for someone with such accusations hanging over them. Can only imagine the public backlash someone voting for Vizquel this year could face.

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

The Shadow does...................

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

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One of the best defensive shortstops ever...IMO

- not Ozzie or Belanger, but next tier at least. again IMO.



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His vote total is next to nothing, after he had been moving up each year.