Leland's Idea of a Complete T206 Set

[Sean]

Hey Ted, can you explain something? I always heard that Larry Fritch found the first Doyle Nat'l in 1980, but he didn't tell anyone until the second showed up in 1986. Was the Russell Doyle known in the '80s? Or was it only noticed after the second Doyle was auctioned?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey Ted, can you explain something? I always heard that Larry Fritch found the first Doyle Nat'l in 1980, but he didn't tell anyone until the second showed up in 1986. Was the Russell Doyle known in the '80s? Or was it only noticed after the second Doyle was auctioned?

Sean

Senator Richard Russell passed away in 1971. As a 13 year old kid (1910), he collected T206's in his hometown of Winder, Georgia. He would pull T206's from PIEDMONT packs.
His political documents and his sportscards collection (T206's, T210's and T205's) were donated to his Alma Mater (Univ. of Georgia) circa 1973. However, his BB card collection
was not available for public viewing until the early 1980's.

I'm not certain if anyone in the hobby back then was aware of Russell's Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L card....or his red Cobb card with a "Ty Cobb" back



TED Z

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[MVSNYC]

Ryan, when you're ready to take your set to 525, I have the first authentic Nodgrass that PSA ever graded...I kid, I kid (but I do own the Nodgrass)

I mean, ever since I started collecting T206, 30 years ago, the known complete set number was always (will always be) 524 (it's well known, that we don't include printing variations in that number). The big 4: Wags, Doyle, Plank, Magie. Hopefully if they see your thread, they'll make the proper updates to the lot title and description.

Lot Title should read- "Near Complete T206 Set, Missing Wagner & Doyle. 522/524 cards, plus Nodgrass variation"

[Michael B]

Unfortunately, in this hobby/industry many of the self proclaimed / self important experts take the Senator Charles Meacham (Ned Beatty) attitude - 'The truth is what I say it is'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlEo8PQChG4

[pawpawdiv9]

i would of like seeing this sold as "separate listings" & also sold as the group and whichever is highest its sold....so people like me maybe can afford a low-grade Plank or Magie error.
I would sell all or most of my whole collection to get a nice Plank like that.

[Yoda]

AH's must be so careful with their descriptions these days so as not to present their consignors' lots in any way inaccurate. Otherwise, they open themselves up to charges of misrepresentation, which is fraud.
Lelands has been around for a long time and they should no better. Their lack of response to your great outing coupled with your outstanding knowledge of the T206 set may make things very uncomfortable for them. I hope so. Of course, Doyle Nat'l should be the 523rd card.
Ted, do you remember when Alan Rosen sold Keith Olberman a Dole that had been badly altered but graded by a forerunner SGC. There was such a stink. You can imagine Keith and Alan going at each other. I never found out how it was all settled.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Yoda

AH's must be so careful with their descriptions these days so as not to present their consignors' lots in any way inaccurate. Otherwise, they open themselves up to charges of misrepresentation, which is fraud.
Lelands has been around for a long time and they should no better. Their lack of response to your great outing coupled with your outstanding knowledge of the T206 set may make things very uncomfortable for them. I hope so. Of course, Doyle Nat'l should be the 523rd card.

Ted, do you remember when Alan Rosen sold Keith Olberman a Dole that had been badly altered but graded by a forerunner SGC. There was such a stink. You can imagine Keith and Alan going at each other. I never found out how it was all settled.

Hi John

That occurred 30+ years ago, so let me see what I can recall: After some serious debate, Rosen took back the fake Doyle card. Olberman eventually acquired an authentic one.

About that same time 30+ years ago, Joe Pelaez also purchased a fake Doyle card. He was livid when he was made aware of this. And this resulted in tracking down the culprit,
who was quite professionally adding the "Nat'L" lettering on the captions of regular Joe Doyle cards.
However, as good as he was with his "artwork", he made a subtle minor mistake by raising the ' above the top line of the lettering of Nat'L.....which exposed it being a FAKE.

Joe eventually acquired an authentic Doyle from Lipset.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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