Antiques Roadshow appraisal 1/3/22 AND 1/24

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I saw this last night. The appraiser was Simeon Lipman who, I believe, is pretty knowledgeable. Anyway, Simeon appraised this 1918 calendar at $20-30,000. That seemed high to me. What do you guys think? I'm also not even sure it's real because the owner said he "got it online for between $200-250"...

Not so sure it would go for that much either. Usually those kind of prices only start for items that are actually authenticated by a recognized third party. Nothing against Antiques Roadshow (love the show), but have never really seen someone sell something like that based solely on an Antiques Roadshow appraisal. But knowing me, I'm probably wrong. LOL

However, I seem to remember there was a thread on here not too long ago about someone on Ebay selling items similar to what was shown on AR, and I thought the consensus on here was that the item was a fake, or just some fantasy piece. Any possibility this could be the case with this AR item? I'll have to see if I can find the thread.

[murphusa]

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by BobC

However, I seem to remember there was a thread on here not too long ago about someone on Ebay selling items similar to what was shown on AR, and I thought the consensus on here was that the item was a fake, or just some fantasy piece. Any possibility this could be the case with this AR item? I'll have to see if I can find the thread.

The one in Moe's thread was not nearly as well done. I also thought of this thread when I saw the one on AR.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=309794

Originally Posted by murphusa

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

Hmmmm....hadn't really noticed that.

[Leon]

If it's real that estimate is too high.,

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[Carter08]

I love wasting time watching AR. One thing I’ve never understood is they will say I would expect it to sell at auction for $x but I would put an insurance value on it at $x plus some large amount. I guess it gets into the difference between value and replacement cost or something like that but I’ve always wondered what an insurance company might think of that notion.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Leon

If it's real that estimate is too high.,

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I also believe the estimate is to high

I hope it is real and it would be a great piece in most peoples collections.

However, even being to high if real in a bidding war on a good AH o could see if going for more then we think. Since it is an early Ruth piece.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I also believe the estimate is to high

I hope it is real and it would be a great piece in most peoples collections.

However, even being to high if real in a bidding war on a good AH o could see if going for more then we think. Since it is an early Ruth piece.

One thing is for sure, you never know! (you can quote me)

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[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The one in Moe's thread was not nearly as well done. I also thought of this thread when I saw the one on AR.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=309794



Hmmmm....hadn't really noticed that.

Thanks Rob, that's the thread I was thinking about. Not the exact same calendar, but still maybe raising questions as to authenticity it seems.

[slidekellyslide]

I met Simeon Lipman at the Antiques Roadshow in Omaha about 20 years ago. He appraised my Old Judge baseball cards.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I met Simeon Lipman at the Antiques Roadshow in Omaha about 20 years ago. He appraised my Old Judge baseball cards.

I've traded with Simeon a couple of times, he had some tough Mets minor league cards that I needed.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Rob, that's the thread I was thinking about. Not the exact same calendar, but still maybe raising questions as to authenticity it seems.

You're from Parma??? Are you old enough to remember late night movies with "Ghoulardi"?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

You're from Parma??? Are you old enough to remember late night movies with "Ghoulardi"?

Heck yeah, you kidding? I even remember Ernie Anderson coming with the old Channel 8 softball team to play an exhibition game at the Valley View (where I grew up) Home Days one Summer in the mid-'60s. Big Chuck was on that team as well, but he was still a camera man then. If you remember where the old Cloverleaf Speedway was, I grew up a little less than a mile south of it right on Canal Road. I literally grew up across the street from the Cuyahoga River and the Ohio Canal, right at the 11 mile lock.

Parma spelled backwards is------------A---M---R---A---P!

Loved watching him every Friday night after the late news. Can still remember him blowing up plastic models with firecrackers live on the air. (Cool it wid-da boom-booms!) And always loved the segments where they'd play Surfin' Bird by the Trashmen.

You originally from around here?

[ooo-ribay]

I grew up north of Columbus but we got Ghoulardi. Wasn’t Parma the butt of his jokes? A Cleveland kid turned me on to RUSH, my first year at Ohio U.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by murphusa

1917 calendar with 1918 dates. Some calendars may have January of the next year but not February, He overpaid at $250.00 IMO

Yah that seems odd. Does anyone own an old calendar, can you check if it included the next years February?

Also, the current owner said he purchased it 10 years ago. Curious where from. I don't recall this being on the market 10 year ago. I'd like to hear his answer where he got it from.

[Butch7999]

Our immediate reaction, too, on seeing that segment of the show was that the estimate seemed substantially high.
Although it's true, "ya never know at auction -- could go cheap, could go crazy."

Anyway, if it's a fantasy piece, it does look like a lot of convincing work went into making it. And is it unthinkable
that a real piece was made with a 24-page two-year (1917-18) calendar, or that once a single 1917 calendar was
exhausted a new 1918 calendar (from whatever source) might not have been attached as a replacement?

Stupid questions our specialty --

[MVSNYC]

I love AR, been watching it for decades. The other night Simeon appraised a really special complete run of UConn women's rings. The owner works for the team and I believe handles the Coach's travel. Her's is one of 3 complete sets known (including head coach and asst. coach). I thought this was very cool.

[ooo-ribay]

From last night. Seemed high again, to me...

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

From last night. Seemed high again, to me...

Didn't see it, but did the appraiser make any mention or reference to how the value could significantly change were the owner to get them graded by a TPG? They don't often have actual cards on AR, mostly sports memorabilia and such, for which there aren't necessarily any currently published price guides out there, or so it seems to me.

And it is hard to tell the condition of the cards just from the images, but given that they are raw, what do you think of the appraisal, about twice what they would actually go for? Or maybe even a bit less?