Discounterparts...who has the most??

Peter_Spaeth · #1 12-27-2021, 07:07 PM

Asterisk, but Rick Barry 1971 Topps has a base card, is on two of the leaders cards, and is on a Topps Trios sticker.

JollyElm · #2 12-27-2021, 07:11 PM

Judge's ruling (5/4 split): disqualification.

Must be a part of the same, specific set.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 12-27-2021, 07:20 PM

By the way can get to 3 on 71 Dan issel as well, or 4 with a disqualified sticker.

BobC · #4 12-27-2021, 08:24 PM

Look at the '80-'81 Topps basketball set. Though the cards normally come as three separate mini panels/cards, with perforations, I believe the unseparated three panels are considered as complete, actual cards. Assuming so, in Bird's case alone, he's on one three panel card with Dr. J and Magic (the big rookie card), but also appears on other three panel cards with Marques Johnson and Jack Sikma, another with Bill Cartwright and John Drew, then again with Fred Brown and John Brewer, and then at least one more with Scott May and Jack Sikma. Oh, and he also appears on a Celtics team Topps Pin-Up card from '80-'81 as well, if you count that. So that's at least 5 (maybe 6) different Bird rookie cards from that one set/year. And there could be even more different combo cards I didn't quickly come across. Also, I didn't check to see how many there may be for Magic, he could even have more than Bird for all I know.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-27-2021, 08:35 PM

I think there are four Magics, the Bird Erving Magic, the "rookie" pose with Van Breda Kolff instead of Bird, and then the two All Star poses one with Cheeks and Boone and one with Long and Boone.

Gary Dunaier · #6 01-15-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Look at the '80-'81 Topps basketball set. Though the cards normally come as three separate mini panels/cards, with perforations, I believe the unseparated three panels are considered as complete, actual cards.

Maybe they are now, but if Topps' original intention was for the kids to separate them into individual cards, would they still qualify for purposes of this discussion? To the best of my knowledge, the Bird and Magic rookies are the same card no matter who they're paired with, and if you were to separate them into single cards - I know,

, right? - but anyway, if you were to separate them, there'd be no way to tell which players that specific card was originally teamed with (unless they appeared in different positions - left, center, right - on different cards).

BobC · #7 01-16-2022, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Dunaier

Maybe they are now, but if Topps' original intention was for the kids to separate them into individual cards, would they still qualify for purposes of this discussion? To the best of my knowledge, the Bird and Magic rookies are the same card no matter who they're paired with, and if you were to separate them into single cards - I know,

, right? - but anyway, if you were to separate them, there'd be no way to tell which players that specific card was originally teamed with (unless they appeared in different positions - left, center, right - on different cards).

Then why are cards that are separated, considered as damaged and no better than poor maybe????? I'll follow the money in this argument. I see your point, but will defer to the hobby overall as seeing these as complete cards ONLY with all three panels intact.

For the record, there are effectively three different images of Bird that appear in the set. First, his regular rookie image that appears as only the far left panel, the same one on the main Bird/Erving/Johnson rookie card. That same image, and position, appears on another card with Bill Cartwright and John Drew.

Secondly, there is a different image of Bird that includes a caption of his being a Rebounding Leader, that appears only as a center panel. Bird shows up on two different cards like this, one with Fred Brown and Ron Brewer, and the other wither Brewer again, but Junior Bridgeman replacing Brown on this second card. And I missed mentioning this Bird/Brewer/Bridgeman card in my initial post, so Bird really is on 6 different unique cards in this set.

And lastly, Bird's third image has him captioned as a Scoring Leader that also only appears as a center panel on two different cards. One has him shown with Scott May and Jack Sikma, and the other still includes Sikma, but swaps out May for Marques Johnson.

But it does appear he is on 6 different and unique three-panel cards, not 5, after all. Had he ended up being selected as an All-Star starter, like Magic was, and not just a reserve, he likely would have ended up on a couple more unique cards as well.

JollyElm · #8 01-18-2022, 04:28 PM

I decided to do some research regarding the 1980 Topps Hoops conundrum...I mean, if you think a simple image search is research. My goal was to see what Topps considered these guys at the time - single cards containing three images, or three separate cards.

• First, each panel has it's own number, so three different numbers per card. That's a start. If it was supposed to be a single card, then the entire thing should have a single identifying number.

• Secondly, the packaging (wax pack wrapper, wax pack box) indicates the cards were meant to be separated. Look at the graphics of separation...

1980toppsbasetballboxwrapper.jpg

• Now for the monkey wrench ('spanner' for you Brits). It indicates "24 PICTURE CARDS" in every pack. I don't have an unopened pack handy. Hell, if I did I wouldn't be here, I'd be celebrating my newfound wealth maskless (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!) in a Wing Stop somewhere. So the crux of the issue is this, were there 24 individual 'attached' cards or were there simply 8 (24÷3) total 'attached' cards within the waxy confines of a pack??

- Twenty four would end the debate. Each three panel (triptych?) piece of cardboard would be considered a card that kids could separate into individual elements, if they so desired.

- And if the pieces numbered eight, that would solve it in the other direction. Each separated piece would be a card in and of itself.

Gary Dunaier · #9 01-22-2022, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Then why are cards that are separated, considered as damaged and no better than poor maybe?????

Once you put something out into the universe you can't control what happens to it. I'll use myself as an example. When I made the thumbs-down gesture I was showing my disapproval of a Yankees' home run. The Yankees took my gesture and turned it into a rally cry. I certainly didn't intend for that to happen.

Topps may have created the cards with the idea that they be separated, and collected as individual mini-cards, but obviously the hobby sees it differently.