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Old 12-21-2021, 11:42 PM
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Strikeouts don’t matter if you’re walking 150 guys. Ryan’s ERA+ is 112, 12% better than the league. He wasn’t that good at not giving up runs, a pitchers central job. Strikeouts are one way to not give up runs, but if a pitcher is walking huge numbers of batters, he apparently ends up not saving many runs.

That said, pitching effectively for 27 years is Hall worthy alone. Being 12% over the league for a quarter century is nuts. The legend of Nolan and his statistical value are miles apart, but by even the most negative reading of him he’s a star. I don’t think anyone is dumping on him.

I’d take a Seaver rookie over his any day. I need both for my sets, the price on Nolan’s is annoying because that series of 68 Topps is extremely common, and that he was one of the 66 in the MB’s makes it even more common than most to basic set collectors. Seaver’s is a pain to find (by Topps standards, there is no such thing as a rare basic Topps card).

Carlton, Palmer, Jenkins, all are still cheap. I think they’re a bargain. Pitchers tend to be, usually.
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Old 12-22-2021, 04:15 AM
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I finally finished my 1968 set this week and the Ryan RC was the last card. I've been working on the set for 5 years and have been sitting at 2 cards left for the last two years. I've been waiting and watching for a Ryan in reasonably decent condition and also in my price range. Unfortunately, those were conflicting goals until a copy came up in the most recent Collector's Connection auction. It was a solid VGEX to EX card, except for some fading on the left side of the card. The loss of color isn't all that noticeable, at least to me, and I consider it a steal at under $350. I was starting to despair about having to give up on finishing the set or opening my wallet wider than I was comfortable.

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Old 12-22-2021, 05:48 AM
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Under $350?? That was a steal for a card that looks that nice in today's environment. Great job!

Update - I just checked their auction site - they used the word "poor" in the item description?? Madness!!

But still, your lucky day I think. When you receive it please let us know if there are any unobserved defects.

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