Hey, pennant guys

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Originally Posted by butchie_t

Elderly Mother in Law. Don't want to muck up her space.

The more I think about this, Butch....

How about soaking it in your shower pan (if you can plug the drain)? I really think it should soak in the Oxyclean. If not the shower pan, I would lay it on a non-porous surface....countertop, car hood, etc.

[ooo-ribay]

Picked up a NY Giants pennant. This one shares characteristics with a few others that have the same big "G" with either "NY" or "New York" within. Don't we know the maker of the generic stadium (in this case, the Polo Grounds) one (Trench?)?

edit: I guess the G’s are all slightly different.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Picked up a NY Giants pennant. This one shares characteristics with a few others that have the same big "G" with either "NY" or "New York" within. Don't we know the maker of the generic stadium (in this case, the Polo Grounds) one (Trench?)?

edit: I guess the G’s are all slightly different.

Rob, it's my belief that the maker of your bottom two pennants featuring the generic stadium scene (here, "Polo Grounds") is Trench. What's interesting about these two is they're monochrome; and every other I've seen featuring this artwork was multicolored.

Typically these stadium scene pennants were made on a 3/4 size format: 8" x 26".

The top two closely resemble the text of the Trench ones below. Good observation. They may have altered the text ever so slightly to print these on a bigger, full size pennant. Are they indeed bigger?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Rob, it's my belief that the maker of your bottom two pennants featuring the generic stadium scene (here, "Polo Grounds") is Trench. What's interesting about these two is they're monochrome; and every other I've seen featuring this artwork was multicolored.

Typically these stadium scene pennants were made on a 3/4 size format: 8" x 26".

The top two closely resemble the text of the Trench ones below. Good observation. They may have altered the text ever so slightly to print these on a bigger, full size pennant. Are they indeed bigger?

You're on the money, Kyle. The top two are full size; the bottom two (Polo Grounds) are 3/4.

[Domer05]

Thanks to my friends at ADFLAG for making this beauty available to me, recently....

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Domer05;2177747]Thanks to my friends at ADFLAG for making this beauty available to me, recently....

I see it folds.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I see it folds.

Yeah, mine never flew atop Wrigley (obviously).

But it could have ... thirty years ago, when the flags last looked like this.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Thanks to my friends at ADFLAG for making this beauty available to me, recently....

I was going to email Kyle directly, since he may have interviewed someone at AdFlag for his blog, but maybe someone else here has input…

Kyle’s burgee says “Los Angeles.” The one I just purchased, directly from AdFlag, says “San Francisco.” I also have an orange on black “Giants” and a white on purple “San Francisco.” See post #6068 above. The white on purple came with “LOA” from the Cubs, dated 1998 and saying “this flag has been flown over Wrigley Field.” Worthpoint shows similar purple burgees. The recent AdFlag pickups were sold as “rooftop flags.”

EVERY picture I have ever seen of Wrigley’s centerfield scoreboard flags show flags with team (not city) names. Do the “rooftop flags” use the city names? For the life of me, I can’t find a clear picture of the rooftop flags.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I was going to email Kyle directly, since he may have interviewed someone at AdFlag for his blog, but maybe someone else here has input…

Kyle’s burgee says “Los Angeles.” The one I just purchased, directly from AdFlag, says “San Francisco.” I also have an orange on black “Giants” and a white on purple “San Francisco.” See post #6068 above. The white on purple came with “LOA” from the Cubs, dated 1998 and saying “this flag has been flown over Wrigley Field.” Worthpoint shows similar purple burgees. The recent AdFlag pickups were sold as “rooftop flags.”

EVERY picture I have ever seen of Wrigley’s centerfield scoreboard flags show flags with team (not city) names. Do the “rooftop flags” use the city names? For the life of me, I can’t find a clear picture of the rooftop flags.

As a matter of fact, yes, I did interview the current owner of ADFLAG when I wrote my last piece on them: Mike Olson. He is Frank F. Smith's, the company's founder, grandson.

Mike advised that, sometime ago, all the Wrigley burgee flags--both rooftop and scoreboard--listed the teams by city names. More recently, the team switched to team names. The current offering of burgee flags on ADFLAG's etsy storefront (obviously) never flew above Wrigley; they were made for and retained as samples. Additionally, as rooftop flags, you'll note they feature a pair of brass grommets on their spine, whereas the scoreboard variant features a pair of "D" rings. I believe the scoreboard variant, today at least, is slightly smaller in size than in decades past, due to National League expansion.

[butchie_t]

The results of my Bullets Championship Pennant cleaning.

Ultimately I ended up soaking it but in a suboptimal (not laid out flat) way. That was the last soak I did and ended up doing that a couple of times yesterday.

While the blue border took the brunt of the cleaning, I am overall very pleased with the end result. I actually was not paying attention to the fading of the blue border and this is fixable if I choose to do so in the future.

The events follow:

You can see from the first picture how ugly this thing is.

I took a spray bottle and added Oxy Clean to hot water and commenced to drowning it rather liberally front and back. The first time I rinsed it after the cleaning it has a horrible stink to it. That went away after a few rinse-clean cycles.

It was getting clean but not clean enough for me as it seemed that all the gunk was draining down to the tip but never really getting fully clean.

I did the majority of the spraying and cleaning on Friday-Saturday. It got to a point where I had to do something different as it was just not getting completely cleaned.

I ended up using the vat that I used to clean Ernie in and folded (blasphemy I know) the tip over right between the e and the t in bullets. Then gave it two long soaks on Sunday. Around 5PM I inspected the results and was satisfied that I wasn't going to do any additional cleaning at that point. I rinsed it and set it on a couple of towels to dry out overnight.

The border certainly faded but again, I am good with that and can fix it in the future if need be.

Bottom line. I will definitely use my MIL tub next time as I really need that sort of space. I have a Redskins pennant, Super Bowl XVII, that can stand a cleaning and will use the tub for that one for sure.

Last picture shows it next to my regular Bullets pennant. As you can see, the championship one is even brighter than that one. But I won't be cleaning the regular one, it is nice enough as it is.

Now I have to come across a Senators 1924 pennant, I have found a reproduction one and that will more than likely have to do!

Thanks for all the assistance and here are the pictures of the process.

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The pennant came out great with the exception of the border

At the risk of being expelled from this group, I have two spine suggestions:

Blue sharpie (I’ve done this) or blue RIT dye, dabbed from a Q-tip.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The pennant came out great with the exception of the border

At the risk of being expelled from this group, I have two spine suggestions:

Blue sharpie (I’ve done this) or blue RIT dye, dabbed from a Q-tip.

HAhaahaha, great minds think alike. I was considering the RIT dye method. I figured the blue sharpie would bleed maybe too much. And maybe I could better control the dye.

Too funny! A most excellent answer Dr. ooo-ribay. After all, this one is not ever gonna get sold now that I have it in my clutches, ain't going anywhere!

Cheers,

B.T.

With apologies to the greater group.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

HAhaahaha, great minds think alike. I was considering the RIT dye method. I figured the blue sharpie would bleed maybe too much. And maybe I could better control the dye.

Too funny! A most excellent answer Dr. ooo-ribay. After all, this one is not ever gonna get sold now that I have it in my clutches, ain't going anywhere!

Cheers,

B.T.

With apologies to the greater group.

Speaking of a ‘24 Senators pennant …

[butchie_t]

Thanks, at least I know what one looks like. Owning one will be a different story though.

Awesome pennant for sure.

Cheers,

B. T.

[bocca001]

Just arrived. Hard to find in black. Oooribay calls these cartoon font pennants.