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12-15-2021, 12:31 AM
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Modern has a number of deficiencies from my perspective:
Confusing Multiplicity of Cards: Just the base issue of 2021 Topps had this (per baseballcardpedia): Gimmicks (Tier 1) 75 - 1:79 1:69 ? 1:33 1:17 Gimmicks (Tier 2) 25 - 1:2348 1:2049 ? 1:966 1:492 Gimmicks (Tier 3) 5 - 1:88,187 1:74,986 ? 1:35,457 1:18,510 Gold Foil 330 - N/A N/A 1:2 N/A N/A Rainbow Foil 330 - 1:10 1:10 1:2 1:4 1:2 Royal Blue 330 - N/A W N/A one-per-pack W two-per-pack W Yellow 330 - N/A WGN N/A N/A N/A Purple 330 - N/A MEI N/A N/A N/A Gold 330 2021 1:27 1:23 ? 1:11 1:6 Green Foil 330 499 ? ? ? ? ? Orange Foil 330 299 ? ? ? ? ? Red Foil 330 199 ? ? ? ? ? Vintage Stock 330 99 1:554 1:485 ? 1:229 1:116 Independence Day 330 76 1:703 1:615 ? 1:290 1:147 Black 330 70 1:175 N/A ? N/A N/A Platinum Anniversary 330 70 ? 1:668 ? 1:314 1:160 Father’s Day Blue 330 50 1:1067 1:935 ? 1:440 1:224 Mother’s Day Hot Pink 330 50 1:1067 1:935 ? 1:440 1:224 Memorial Day Camouflage 330 25 1:2134 1:1875 ? 1:881 1:446 Platinum 330 one-of-one 1:52,912 1:46,867 ? 1:23,564 1:11,106 Printing Plates 330 four for each 1:13,324 1:11,717 ? 1:5516 1:2777 Advanced Stats ? 300 1:228 ? ? ? 1:48 Clear That is way too many parallels to keep track of and chase after. Impossibility of Completion: With all of the parallels, some of them numbered in the handful, it is very tough to collect a player. I tried to collect the rainbow of Errol Spence cards in the 2018 Leaf issue but quit in disgust when it became apparent that I was not going to get the 1:1, 1:2 or 1:3 cards. Very frustrating for a collector. Too Many Issues: The 2021 releases: 2021 Absolute 2021 Bowman 2021 Bowman Chrome 2021 Bowman Chrome Mega Box 2021 Bowman Chrome X 2021 Bowman Inception 2021 Bowman Platinum 2021 Bowman Sapphire Chrome 2021 Bowman Sterling 2021 Bowman Transcendent 2021 Diamond Kings 2021 Donruss 2021 Donruss Optic 2021 Finest 2021 Finest Flashbacks 2021 Panini Immaculate 2021 Panini Mosaic 2021 Panini Prizm 2021 Select 2021 Spectra 2021 Stadium Club 2021 Topps 2021 Topps Allen & Ginter 2021 Topps Archives Snapshots 2021 Topps Chrome 2021 Topps Chrome Ben Baller Edition 2021 Topps Definitive Collection 2021 Topps Diamond Icons 2021 Topps Fire 2021 Topps Five Star 2021 Topps Gold Label 2021 Topps Gypsy Queen 2021 Topps Heritage 2021 Topps Heritage Minor League 2021 Topps Inception 2021 Topps Luminaries 2021 Topps Mickey Mantle Collection 2021 Topps Museum Collection 2021 Topps Opening Day 2021 Topps Pro Debut 2021 Topps Rip 2021 Topps Sapphire Chrome 2021 Topps Sterling 2021 Topps Tier One 2021 Topps Transcendent Hall Of Fame 2021 Topps Tribute 2021 Topps Update 2021 Triple Threads So many choices I don't know what to collect. Choose the right set and you get a $20,000 rookie card. Choose the wrong set and you get a $5 rookie card of the same guy. Worthless Shiny Crap: Sorry, but that's the truth with regard to the base sets. It is still just trash to throw away. You open a box and it devalues like a new car just driven off the lot. I opened a case of the 2020 Heritage because I love the 1971 design. Now I have a small stack of cards worth saving and a 5000 count box of worthless junk I will eventually toss into a recycling bin. Obnoxious Asshole 'Investors'. We may have a lot of weirdos and social defectives in the vintage field but the modern guys, it's like they are all competing to see who can be the biggest douche. It's Gambling. Much of modern, not all certainly, but a big piece of it and certainly the visible part in breaks and investment discussions, is gambling on a key hit in a pack/box/case, storage of certain cards for potential future value, and holding the rest in case someone unknown becomes valuable. I don't see people taking a lot of pleasure in piecing together base sets, probably because you can just buy a run on the cheap. Now that might have been the case with earlier cards too had we had Internet access to material, I don't know, but we did not. It just seems wrong to have so much of the product effectively tossed aside. I would rather they make an issue that is nothing but the hits and the superstar variations and just admit that no one wants the rest. Pinnacle sort of did that with the select certified sets, and that worked out so well they went bankrupt...
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12-15-2021, 12:04 PM
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But Adam, get any and all of it into a PSA 10 slab and it sells, from what I can see. This accounts for a staggering percentage of PSA submissions and its multimillion card backlog.
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12-15-2021, 09:37 PM
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12-16-2021, 06:50 AM
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Heritage has devolved into a trash heap product, and forget about hits.
When packs routinely show up at Big Lots in the children's cheap toy carousel you know its garbage. RayB
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12-16-2021, 12:42 PM
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HaHa. I don't think I've bought any boxes in the insert era, so that would have been my story to. Except, I bought 3 rack boxes, and didn't get one Mattingly....or Strawberry......or 2nd year Boggs...or even Nolan Ryan...LOL. They were obviously searched. Then of course there's the notorious early printings of the 1981 Donruss, where you'd get about 50 Different cards in the entire box, and about half of them were miscut.
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12-16-2021, 09:51 AM
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I totally agree about the number of products being silly. It was my understanding that when MLB went to a single licensee, the idea was that they were trying to limit the number of products. That always seemed silly to me, as a healthy marketplace where different companies all put forth their products, and the best ones rose to the top, was a much better thing. Now we just have Topps (and soon Fanatics) producing stupid silly numbers of products. Personally I still have fun opening base Topps and hand collating a set the way I used to. It costs about 5-10x what it would cost to just buy the complete set from Target, but it's a lot more fun. The last two or three years I have gotten it to where I only needed 5-10 cards to finish my sets, and I've bought or traded for those last few cards. But the rest have come from opening packs. Occasionally I get a fun specialty card, but those I view just as bonuses. I really don't care that much about the myriad of inserts. I have started just stacking the inserts up in the box at the end of my set, and there they sit. I suppose if I ever found out that one of the inserts I got was unexpectedly a big deal, I would sell it off. But for now I just pile them up.
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12-17-2021, 12:52 AM
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"Not everything we create is for you specifically. We have millions of fans that all want something different in their experience. Just because we create something you didn't want or ask for, doesn't mean someone else didn't." I don't open 95% of those products listed, but then again - they weren't made for me and my tastes.
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12-18-2021, 03:51 PM
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My worst box break ever was a case of 1991 Fleer...back in 1991. I was still a teenager, so cut me some slack.
I wound up spending forever and a day collating sets. My eyes still hurt from all that YELLOW
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12-23-2021, 11:00 AM
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While I pretty much focus on vintage these days, you can't get the pack opening experience.
So I typically get one box of modern a year (or maybe a couple blasters)...but my mindset going in is that I'm paying for the entertainment of opening packs. I have ZERO expectations of getting the same value out of the box that it costs to buy it. I usually come out of a box break with a couple interesting cards I keep for my collection. A card or two to sell on ebay to get a few dollars back, and then the rest of the cards go in to the recycle bin because it makes me happier to keep a smaller, organized collection than have big boxes of commons I don't care about. But it's FUN to open packs and dream of hitting a BIG card. That being said, I can pretty much get the same experience opening 80's junk wax. I have an LCS not far away that sometimes sells late 80's and early 90's Topps, Donruss, Fleer for $15.00 a box. I enjoy that about as much as opening a $100 box of modern, especially if there is a chance at one of those early autograph cards, Elite inserts, etc. So I'll pick those up when I can. In fact, a previous poster mentioned 1991 Fleer. I literally have a wax box of that now that I'm going through. So much yellow, that when I hit the occasional black bordered Pro-Vision (which are still pretty much worthless), it feels like a nice "hit".
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12-26-2021, 04:06 PM
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12-29-2021, 07:32 AM
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It’s not an impossible position. Collect what you like and what you feel you can afford.
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12-26-2021, 09:13 AM
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Forgot Bowman First Edition... lol
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