GAI Crossover?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by rand1com

Any of the "1st Graded" flips on a particular card is very likely to have been accurately graded based on the standards at that time around 2005 or so.

However, even those would not likely cross over at the same grade today with PSA or SGC.

By the same token, they are very unlikely to be trimmed or tampered with as I'm sure Baker himself probably looked at each card with this designation.

This would not be correct. 1st Graded flips referred to the first time the specific card graded in that specific grade. They did not control when cards came in for grading so they were issuing 1st Graded on flips for the entire time they were in business.

Originally Posted by rand1com

The advise given about cracking it out and resubmitting raw to me is not the way to go unless you have had very good success submitting cards and getting high grades back. Those usually go to the auction houses and high volume dealers who submit thousands of cards per year.

I would rather have a GAI graded 8 than a PSA 5 no matter the card. It may only bring PSA 7 money in an GAI 8 holder but it will bring well above 5 money.

Cracking out really is the only way to go, as I stated above, if Steve has a great eye or someone he knows has a great eye, and can assess if the card is 100% not altered. The grade is subjective however today a PSA 5 would likely sell for more than a GAI 8. I have not seen a GAI 8 sell for PSA 7 money in a very long time. It is entirely possible that none ever have.

As much time as has passed since cards could be submitted to GAI any that are still on the market we have to assume are in those holders, still, for a very good reason. I certainly do not know a single person in the hobby who would leave a card in a GAI holder if they knew the card was 100% good.

[Tere1071]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

This would not be correct. 1st Graded flips referred to the first time the specific card graded in that specific grade. They did not control when cards came in for grading so they were issuing 1st Graded on flips for the entire time they were in business.



Cracking out really is the only way to go, as I stated above, if Steve has a great eye or someone he knows has a great eye, and can assess if the card is 100% not altered. The grade is subjective however today a PSA 5 would likely sell for more than a GAI 8. I have not seen a GAI 8 sell for PSA 7 money in a very long time. It is entirely possible that none ever have.

As much time as has passed since cards could be submitted to GAI any that are still on the market we have to assume are in those holders, still, for a very good reason. I certainly do not know a single person in the hobby who would leave a card in a GAI holder if they knew the card was 100% good.

In my case, there are 60 cards that are slabbed in my 53 Bowman Color set with three of those in a GAI holder. The slabbed cards I own were purchased through eBay and for the moment they're fine to remain in a slab as I'm not planning to do anything else but to enjoy what I have. On the other hand, would I purchase a major star in a GAI holder, probably not with what I've learned thus far.

Phil aka Tere1071

[marzoumanian]

The word that comes to mind, Phil, is tainted. As others have already mentioned, GAI started out great with men of integrity. What I was told years ago was that as the company grew, these men had no choice but to hire more people to grade cards and unfortunately these people started giving high grades to cards of questionable integrity (doctored). If you ever do decide to sell your 1953 Bowman color set, I would recommend AT THAT TIME to crack out the GAI cards and get them graded by the TPG you used for the other cards. I believe that TPG uniformity will make a difference in the final price you get. Look at it from the point of view of the buyer. Most importantly, make certain that you have a plan for this set. My two cents. Peace.

[Tere1071]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

The word that comes to mind, Phil, is tainted. As others have already mentioned, GAI started out great with men of integrity. What I was told years ago was that as the company grew, these men had no choice but to hire more people to grade cards and unfortunately these people started giving high grades to cards of questionable integrity (doctored). If you ever do decide to sell your 1953 Bowman color set, I would recommend AT THAT TIME to crack out the GAI cards and get them graded by the TPG you used for the other cards. I believe that TPG uniformity will make a difference in the final price you get. Look at it from the point of view of the buyer. Most importantly, make certain that you have a plan for this set. My two cents. Peace.

Thank you for the feedback. I've never submitted a card for grading; what I have graded in my set someone else had done previously. The majority of my graded cards are PSA and SGC with some BVG and range mostly from 4 to 6, a decent mid-grade set. I still prefer raw cards over slabs and I'm tempted to "free them" with the exception of the Mantle (PSA 4-newer grade), Musial (SGC 4.5), and Berra (SGC 5-both newer grades), to ward off any accusations of having fake or altered cards.

I don't have a plan as I want to enjoy just having them, like when I was between the ages of 12-15 when there was magic in just having something old. The GAI cards would be returned to raw and placed in the rest of my set when the time comes, which hopefully remains far in the future.

Phil aka Tere1071