Era of auction without auction catalog

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by chriskim

We are almost in the era of auctions without auction catalogs, .......

In my view this is unfortunate, as I can much more quickly and thoroughly peruse an auction by turning the pages of the catalog than I can by viewing the listings online, and given the volume of AHs and auctions each year I am much more likely to take the time to go through the entirety of the listings if I have the catalog versus having to do it online.

[Snapolit1]

I hardly look at printed catalogs any more, and marvel at the cost of some of the mailings I've received recently. These are more to stroke the ego of the consignor than anything else. I don't need a catalog to tell me who Babe Ruth was or that Lou Gehrig caught a terrible disease and retired young, gave a moving speech, and then died 2 years later.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I don't need a catalog to tell me that Lou Gehrig caught a terrible disease and retired young, gave a moving speech, and then died 2 years later.

He WHAT???!!!

[Fred]

In 20 years they'll be a collectible. Someone's going to catalog them and then create a price guide. Eventually, PSA will grade them and that will lead to furious bidding on fleabay and AH auctions. Then the reprints will start showing up and things will come to a head when the grading companies have to admit that the reprints were difficult to detect and grading catalogs only provides a subjective opinion.

Better scoop them up while you can...

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Fred

In 20 years they'll be a collectible. Someone's going to catalog them and then create a price guide. Eventually, PSA will grade them and that will lead to furious bidding on fleabay and AH auctions. Then the reprints will start showing up and things will come to a head when the grading companies have to admit that the reprints were difficult to detect and grading catalogs only provides a subjective opinion.

Better scoop them up while you can...

But the big question is...will the reprints have that 'new catalog smell'?

Brian

[nat]

Originally Posted by Fred

In 20 years they'll be a collectible. Someone's going to catalog them and then create a price guide. Eventually, PSA will grade them and that will lead to furious bidding on fleabay and AH auctions. Then the reprints will start showing up and things will come to a head when the grading companies have to admit that the reprints were difficult to detect and grading catalogs only provides a subjective opinion.

Better scoop them up while you can...

And to please consignors, auction houses will start printing catalogues for their catalogue auctions (that is, catalogue catalogues). Which will themselves become collectible, prompting auction houses to print catalogues for their catalogue catalogue auctions, and so on up...

[Fred]

Nat, if it aint a first edition printing, then I don't want it...

Not to hijack the thread but does anybody have a favorite catalog? I like the Halper Auction set of three catalogs. There was so much "stuff" in that catalog.

[Orioles1954]

Leon is right, print catalogs are done only for the consignor. Only about 10% of our mailing list receives a print catalog and the overwhelming majority of bids are placed online as opposed to those who review a catalog and call in.

[MarcosCards]

Originally Posted by Fred

In 20 years they'll be a collectible. Someone's going to catalog them and then create a price guide. Eventually, PSA will grade them and that will lead to furious bidding on fleabay and AH auctions. Then the reprints will start showing up and things will come to a head when the grading companies have to admit that the reprints were difficult to detect and grading catalogs only provides a subjective opinion.

Better scoop them up while you can...

Ooooh, very nice wit and sarcasm to enjoy with my morning coffee. Thanks

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Fred

In 20 years they'll be a collectible. Someone's going to catalog them and then create a price guide. Eventually, PSA will grade them and that will lead to furious bidding on fleabay and AH auctions. Then the reprints will start showing up and things will come to a head when the grading companies have to admit that the reprints were difficult to detect and grading catalogs only provides a subjective opinion.

Better scoop them up while you can...

This was my 1st Catalog that I received in the Post!
Not one Slab in it...
& I even have the "Closing Price List" for each Lot...
Brings Back fond memories of how I came back to the US after spending 17 years underwater on the other side of the world (:

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

He WHAT???!!!

Yes, you've never seen references to "Baseball's Gettysburg address"?????

[pawpawdiv9]

just hope the catalogs get a tad smaller PLEASE!!
The mailman shoves it in my mailbox and half the time gets stuck in it. Yeah, my carrier is lazy as s*it. You'd think it says priorty mail, it be treated like that.
Btw- they are beautiful to look at and smell, despite still looking online.

[perezfan]

Don't all the best auctions still have them? I like them and have honestly not seen much of a pull-back...

REA
LOTG
Huggins
Heritage
Lelands
Hunts
Mile High
SCP
Memory Lane
Clean Sweep

All still have them, and that's just off the top of my head. Isn't it still just the really small auctions that are viewable online only?

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Don't all the best auctions still have them? I like them and have honestly not seen much of a pull-back...

REA
LOTG
Huggins
Heritage
Lelands
Hunts
Mile High
SCP
Memory Lane
Clean Sweep

All still have them, and that's just off the top of my head. Isn't it still just the really small auctions that are viewable online only?

Based on this list, Goldin is a small AH.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

He WHAT???!!!

What's even more crazy is he caught a disease that he shares a name with. What are the odds?!!?

[MVSNYC]

I'm old school, love flipping thru a good catalog. I have a nice collection of them, from a lot of special and important sales. Also friends like Anthony N and Rob Lifson have saved and given me some great older catalogs over the years.

One major pet peeve though...I cannot stand the ridiculous tabs in Memory Lane's catalogs; hope they stop using those.

[perezfan]

yeah... I hate those tabs too.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I don't need a catalog to tell me who Babe Ruth was or that Lou Gehrig caught a terrible disease and retired young, gave a moving speech, and then died 2 years later.

This was always a pet peeve of mine. I figure that if someone's going to spend big bucks on a card, or autograph or memorabilia of a certain player they already know who he is and don't need to read a biography, as if it's someone they've never heard of before. "Babe Ruth? Never heard of him. Let's see... sultan of swat... home run king... larger than life... Sounds like an interesting guy. Okay, I'll bid on it..."

Tell me more about the item itself - condition, provenance, background of the piece. That's what we want to know.

[mrreality68]

We will have these catalogs for a while. It over time they will go away
Just a matter of how long it will take
But remember as these go away and the auction houses save printing and shipping money do not expect them to pass the savings to their sellers and buyers.
The fees will not change and they will take that for their profit

[Eric72]

1. For me, flipping through a printed catalog is a much faster, more efficient process.
2. When I receive catalogs, my number of bids (and amounts) tend to be noticeably higher.
3. After using the catalog to zero in on items, I then login and add them to my watchlist.

Most importantly, catalogs don't get lost in a sea of emails/banner ads/Facebook posts/other online content. They sit on my desk until I have a game plan.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Eric72

1. For me, flipping through a printed catalog is a much faster, more efficient process.
2. When I receive catalogs, my number of bids (and amounts) tend to be noticeably higher.
3. After using the catalog to zero in on items, I then login and add them to my watchlist.

Most importantly, catalogs don't get lost in a sea of emails/banner ads/Facebook posts/other online content. They sit on my desk until I have a game plan.

Yep

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

We will have these catalogs for a while. It over time they will go away
Just a matter of how long it will take
But remember as these go away and the auction houses save printing and shipping money do not expect them to pass the savings to their sellers and buyers.
The fees will not change and they will take that for their profit

yup... buyer's penalty would just get higher and higher. No way that they would lower the penalty because they no longer needed to print catalogs in the future.

[Fred]

Just curious -

Does ANYBODY know how much a print run of REA catalogs costs to produce and mail? How many catalogs does an AH like REA create and mail out?

Does anybody have any inside knowledge to other AH catalog distribution numbers and costs?

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by Fred

Just curious -

Does ANYBODY know how much a print run of REA catalogs costs to produce and mail? How many catalogs does an AH like REA create and mail out?

Brian Dwyer probably knows.

[Orioles1954]

[QUOTE=Fred;2174229]

Does anybody have any inside knowledge to other AH catalog distribution numbers and costs?

Edited for clarification: It varies for H&S based on auction cycle, but still in the thousands.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

In my view this is unfortunate, as I can much more quickly and thoroughly peruse an auction by turning the pages of the catalog than I can by viewing the listings online, and given the volume of AHs and auctions each year I am much more likely to take the time to go through the entirety of the listings if I have the catalog versus having to do it online.

You and the other guy still peruse them, Corey. I rarely look at them anymore.

And if anyone doesn't know let me tell you, catalogs are done for consignors to get more consignments. It wouldn't matter if no one looked at them, they will still be printed. And as someone that had a catalog sale for their collection, it's what I wanted too.
.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Leon

You and the other guy still peruse them, Corey. I rarely look at them anymore.

And if anyone doesn't know let me tell you, catalogs are done for consignors to get more consignments. It wouldn't matter if no one looked at them, they will still be printed. And as someone that had a catalog sale for their collection, it's what I wanted too.
.

I guess Eric must be that other guy Leon.

[bbcard1]

Most of the AH operators I have spoken to say that they keep doing them mostly because of the consignors. Many consignors are my age of older and believe that it is the only way bidders learn about an item.

As for me, I'd be happy if they didn't produce the catalogs. I have already generally perused all the offerings on line days before I get the catalog. I have tried but been unable to get auction houses to take me off their list (the same is true of other enterprises). I am not your typical "tree hugger" but I believe in incrementalism in correcting environmental issues. In other words, if something has no benefit, don't do it. I get no benefit from receiving a catalog, yet there is an environmental and financial impact from the printing (moderate) and distribution (considerable) of the catalogues. Me getting fewer catalogs won't change the world, but it won't hurt.

It's a lot like recycling. Very little of the stuff I put in recycling really ends up being recycled, but by creating a stream, we create the possibility it will be successful on down the line.

I also would like it a lot if the AH operators would use that savings to reduce commission percentages which have been creeping up quietly for a while, but that's probably not going to happen. That's fine. Running a business is hard and you have to get rewarded. It's my choice on whether to pay the piper or not.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Most of the AH operators I have spoken to say that they keep doing them mostly because of the consignors. Many consignors are my age of older and believe that it is the only way bidders learn about an item.

As for me, I'd be happy if they didn't produce the catalogs. I have already generally perused all the offerings on line days before I get the catalog. I have tried but been unable to get auction houses to take me off their list (the same is true of other enterprises). I am not your typical "tree hugger" but I believe in incrementalism in correcting environmental issues. In other words, if something has no benefit, don't do it. I get no benefit from receiving a catalog, yet there is an environmental and financial impact from the printing (moderate) and distribution (considerable) of the catalogues. Me getting fewer catalogs won't change the world, but it won't hurt.

It's a lot like recycling. Very little of the stuff I put in recycling really ends up being recycled, but by creating a stream, we create the possibility it will be successful on down the line.

I also would like it a lot if the AH operators would use that savings to reduce commission percentages which have been creeping up quietly for a while, but that's probably not going to happen. That's fine. Running a business is hard and you have to get rewarded. It's my choice on whether to pay the piper or not.

Hi Todd. You are correct that it’s mostly older consignors who want the catalog printed. H&S recognized years ago that the demise of the print catalog was upon us. We have slashed our circulation and offer a $10 credit per auction to any registered bidder who opts out of receiving a catalog. You can opt out at www.hugginsandscott.com. While $10 isn’t a lot it is something and is mutually beneficial for both bidder and auction house.

[Jeff_cvc]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Most of the AH operators I have spoken to say that they keep doing them mostly because of the consignors. Many consignors are my age of older and believe that it is the only way bidders learn about an item.

As for me, I'd be happy if they didn't produce the catalogs. I have already generally perused all the offerings on line days before I get the catalog. I have tried but been unable to get auction houses to take me off their list (the same is true of other enterprises). I am not your typical "tree hugger" but I believe in incrementalism in correcting environmental issues. In other words, if something has no benefit, don't do it. I get no benefit from receiving a catalog, yet there is an environmental and financial impact from the printing (moderate) and distribution (considerable) of the catalogues. Me getting fewer catalogs won't change the world, but it won't hurt.

It's a lot like recycling. Very little of the stuff I put in recycling really ends up being recycled, but by creating a stream, we create the possibility it will be successful on down the line.

I also would like it a lot if the AH operators would use that savings to reduce commission percentages which have been creeping up quietly for a while, but that's probably not going to happen. That's fine. Running a business is hard and you have to get rewarded. It's my choice on whether to pay the piper or not.

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