Gil Hodges

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Because these stats (black ink, grey ink, hall monitor, hall stabdards) look at players who were at top of the league, comparing them effectively to the best of their times or all time. WAR ranks them effectively compared to the absolute worst of the league, not even to league average but over a fantasy “replacement player”. Personally, I think Reuschel’s non WAR stats are a much more accurate picture. I’m not with the new math on Grich either, though he was a little underrated.

Pretty unusual disparity though, wouldn't you say? I don't think I've ever seen a player who was so Jekyll and Hyde on the two sets of metrics.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Pretty unusual disparity though, wouldn't you say? I don't think I've ever seen a player who was so Jekyll and Hyde on the two sets of metrics.

Resuschel seems like the kind of guy fit for such a gap. You need someone who was never that big of a producer, but with a lengthy career and a long time of being pretty good.

Sal Bando is another guy like this. 61 WAR, 53 JAWS. Pretty darn bad for such a guy in the 4 hall statistics. Robin Ventura too. The aforementioned Grich as well. Personally, I think the traditional stats paint a more accurate picture of them, once adjusted for context. All fine players, but not what Jaws suggests.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Guess who.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Black Ink
Batting - 4 (532), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 38 (821), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 7 (1622), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 30 (342), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Catcher (13th):
46.8 career WAR | 35.0 7yr-peak WAR | 40.9 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162
Average HOF C (out of 16):
53.8 career WAR | 34.8 7yr-peak WAR | 44.3 JAWS | 4.7 WAR/162

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Guess who.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Black Ink
Batting - 4 (532), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 38 (821), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 7 (1622), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 30 (342), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Catcher (13th):
46.8 career WAR | 35.0 7yr-peak WAR | 40.9 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162
Average HOF C (out of 16):
53.8 career WAR | 34.8 7yr-peak WAR | 44.3 JAWS | 4.7 WAR/162

A catcher WAR loves and traditional stats don’t and scored bad on the Hall stats - Gene Tenace? Is he really that high in the catcher list foe JAWS? Great example

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

A catcher WAR loves and traditional stats don’t and scored bad on the Hall stats - Gene Tenace? Is he really that high in the catcher list foe JAWS? Great example

Yep.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Grich LOLOL.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Black Ink
Batting - 8 (356), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 40 (785), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 43 (506), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 32 (286), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Second Base (8th):
71.0 career WAR | 46.4 7yr-peak WAR | 58.7 JAWS | 5.7 WAR/162
Average HOF 2B (out of 20):

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Grich LOLOL.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Black Ink
Batting - 8 (356), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink
Batting - 40 (785), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 43 (506), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 32 (286), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Second Base (8th):
71.0 career WAR | 46.4 7yr-peak WAR | 58.7 JAWS | 5.7 WAR/162
Average HOF 2B (out of 20):

Grich is a sabrmetric favorite now, but I just don’t see it. #8 2B, just don’t see it. He was a fine player, but that’s it.