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[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

One of the things I like about this class is that where some of the players may feel a little light statistically to a purist, those players have significant off-field contributions that add to their case. I know the Hall of Fame doesn't give "lifetime achievement" awards, but it's hard to look at any of these players and feel bad about their total contribution to the game being honored.

Although I've been writing a few articles on the hall of fame lately, and I can say that Kaat's induction does lower the "HOF Standard" based just on his pitching numbers. Last week, the average career WAR of a Hall of Fame starting pitcher was 73.1. Today, it's 73.0.

If we're going to dip that far into intangibles (which I'm ok with, as long as it's consistent) then Dale Murphy and Mattingly become a different situation too.

The '80s was a great time for baseball, and when people think back fondly about it, who comes to mind more than Murph and Donnie baseball?

If Minoso and Kaat are going to get the extra needed nudge because of their their positive impact on the game (and society) off the field, then why not those two guys as well?

Especially with Murphy, who would've been voted in 20 years ago if he'd hit just two more HRs

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

If we're going to dip that far into intangibles (which I'm ok with, as long as it's consistent) then Dale Murphy and Mattingly become a different situation too.

The '80s was a great time for baseball, and when people think back fondly about it, who comes to mind more than Murph and Donnie baseball?

If Minoso and Kaat are going to get the extra needed nudge because of their their positive impact on the game (and society) off the field, then why not those two guys as well?

Especially with Murphy, who would've been voted in 20 years ago if he'd hit just two more HRs

I’m not against such considerations for more recent players, but I’m not sure “was a really nice guy” (Murphy) of “managed for a while” (Mattingly) quite rise to the level of a Kaat, Minoso, or O’neil’s post-playing-days contributions.

That being said, I expect with more time, if the 80’s are under-represented, these are two guys on the short list of hitters for consideration. BTW, the list of pitchers is longer!

[Bridwell]

I agree that the loyal service to baseball as an announcer, manager, coach, public appearances, etc. seem to be one of the factors being using this year. They weren't looking just at stats that's for sure. These were good players whose stats were a little light but who elevated the public image of the game.

[clydepepper]

This Hall-of-Fame Class just got better:

Congratulations to someone who really loves the game:

TIM KURKJIAN!!





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[Tabe]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

This Hall-of-Fame Class just got better:

Congratulations to someone who really loves the game:

TIM KURKJIAN!!

Well deserved. Tim is fantastic.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

I’m not against such considerations for more recent players, but I’m not sure “was a really nice guy” (Murphy) of “managed for a while” (Mattingly) quite rise to the level of a Kaat, Minoso, or O’neil’s post-playing-days contributions.

That has nothing to do with what I said, nor was it what I meant (when referencing Murphy's or Mattingly's off-the-field contribution to the game).

As mentioned above, it's about their huge cultural impact on the game. Some may not weigh that as much as Kaat's broadcasting emmy awards, but I believe it's just as important for someone's place in baseball history.

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

That has nothing to do with what I said, nor was it what I meant (when referencing Murphy's or Mattingly's off-the-field contribution to the game).

As mentioned above, it's about their huge cultural impact on the game. Some may not weigh that as much as Kaat's broadcasting emmy awards, but I believe it's just as important for someone's place in baseball history.

Sorry if I misunderstood. I think you’re basically referencing the “fame” part of hall of fame.

And I think that does help a case, if they are famous for being one of the best players of “some period of time”, an MVP, big playoff performer, etc.

I think you need to have numbers at or near the HOF standard, but fame can put a borderline candidate over the top.

[Mike D.]

I just had an article on the Golden Days Era ballot get published at Cardlines.com if anyone is interested: https://www.cardlines.com/golden-day...f-famer-cards/