Article: Future Hall-Of-Famer Cards: Sure Thing Hitters

Mike D. · #1 12-01-2021, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAck

I don't consider myself a traditionalist, but I must be... I hate pitch counts, quality starts, the runner on second in extra innings, the shift, and starting by committee. I blame Joe Maddon.

-Ben

Quality starts is a funny one�not that long ago, people used to rail about 6 IP / 3 ER not being �quality� enough.

The game has passed that right by�in the postseason this year 6 IP / 3 ER was an epic performance, not simply �quality�.

RayBShotz · #2 12-02-2021, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Quality starts is a funny one�not that long ago, people used to rail about 6 IP / 3 ER not being �quality� enough.

The game has passed that right by�in the postseason this year 6 IP / 3 ER was an epic performance, not simply �quality�.

Heh.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 12-02-2021, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Quality starts is a funny one�not that long ago, people used to rail about 6 IP / 3 ER not being �quality� enough.

The game has passed that right by�in the postseason this year 6 IP / 3 ER was an epic performance, not simply �quality�.

Pretty soon a quality start will be making it all the way into the 3rd before yielding to the endless committee of journeymen.

D. Bergin · #4 12-02-2021, 01:30 PM

Not to beat a dead horse, but Mark Fidrych had more complete games and almost as many shutouts in 1976, as Max Scherzer has had in his entire career.

On the other hand, Fidrych was DONE after a season and a half, and I still remember Billy Martin ruining a pretty talented staff for the A's between 1980-81 by making his guys finish almost every game they started (his leading closer had 6 saves in 1980) on a 2nd place team.

I guess there should be a middle ground...but analytics say otherwise, and the only way to really curb the recent trend is to cap the number of pitchers you can keep on a roster at any one time, and maybe limit the number of minor league options you can use for your true journeymen guys.

Mike D. · #5 12-02-2021, 02:30 PM

The scary thing is, relievers are changing too...the "journeyman" of the past all threw 88-92 MPH. If a squad had one guy throwing in the high 90's, it was something to see.

Now, it seems like teams are sending guys out there inning after inning throwing 95-100. I swear Tampa Bay makes those guys in a little back room of the Trop out of empty seats and stuff that falls off the catwalks.

D. Bergin · #6 12-02-2021, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

The scary thing is, relievers are changing too...the "journeyman" of the past all threw 88-92 MPH. If a squad had one guy throwing in the high 90's, it was something to see.

Now, it seems like teams are sending guys out there inning after inning throwing 95-100. I swear Tampa Bay makes those guys in a little back room of the Trop out of empty seats and stuff that falls off the catwalks.

I saw the Yanks just signed Lucas Luetge for under a million bucks. If he had his breakout year at age 24, instead of age 34, he might have cost $7 million a season.

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