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And by the way that is the story of the whole modern basketball market. For example, I have an Iverson rookie that I bought for $200 5 years ago. It ran all the way up to $4000, and then dropped back down to $1500. Last edited by Gorditadogg; 11-28-2021 at 10:49 AM. |
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What's gone down in price? Apparently none of the crap I collect.
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I follow Exhibit cards. The big boys in the 1920s issues (Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Johnson) and the rookies (PC Back Foxx, PC Back Grove) are very strong. What I've noticed marked jumps on lately are the lower grade examples of these players. The next tier of HOFers are a mixed bag. Speaker, Hornsby, Collins, Alexander, that caliber card. Lesser HOFers are basically bargains relative to other issues of the era. It is a little more difficult to follow these than T206s because there are relatively few of them and they don't come up in every auction. If two or more guys need the card for a set and it isn't easy, watch out.
LOTG last night was in line with the trends. PC Back Grove RC PSA 5 $8400. 1927 Cobb PSA 5 $2280. 1922 Eastern Exhibit (EE) Johnson PSA 3 $1560. 1922 EEs of Speaker, Hornsby and Alexander were between $500-$600. However, 1925 Collins PSA 2 $120, 1922 EEs Bancroft and Wheat were between $150-$250. Bidders went to war over a PSA 4 1922 Eastern Exhibit Heilmann $1440. It is a great card but there is no reason for him to sell for Cobb money. Had to be bidders warring for their sets.
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I do not see any trend of downward pricing.
With so many auctions and so many cards and memorabilia hitting the auction I see the money being spent but sometimes people need to regroup their funds and/or sometimes some auctions get overlooked And with many ending at the same time people have to be more controlled with what they are bidding on so sometimes items get less bids. But overall the main players like Ruth, Cobb, wagner, and Jackson their cards are hot and even their “lesser known” cards are starting to increase in value as people are getting priced out of other cards
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread, but 19th century hasn't generally kept pace with price increases.
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I'm in the same boat. The majority of cards on my want list keep rising in value.
It would be different if I was chasing the orange shimmer rainbow prism super-duper-fractor of that 19 year old sure-fire future Hall of Famer. Alas, a T206 WaJo portrait (and others) keep climbing. Now...where did I put that time machine?
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The answer is Trevor Bauer and DeShaun Watson, that’s what’s gone down!
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That is true as well as most vintage photo’s. They have gone up in price but not as much as cards. Except for some high end exceptions photo’s are doing nicely but not as dramatic as a curve up. On the flip side they have stayed steady at their higher prices and are relatively consistent
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IMO photos have increased in value over the past few years and offer collectors an alternative to more traditional cards. Unlike most vintage cards, vintage photos can be unique, or 1/3, 1/5...like some the shiny new age stuff that some collectors like. I feel like the photo market will look significantly different in the next two years as it appeals to more and more people. I would be surprised to see vintage photo prices decrease in value. One could argue that photos currently offer the best bang for your vintage buck.
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I guess my last response didn't really address the topic of this thread, but a comment that was made. I don't know if they have decreased in value, but some of the rarer "commons" in E card sets have been stagnant for some time. Many years ago I put the E103 Williams Caramel set together..."commons were in the $250 -- $300 range back then...seem to be at the same price (depending on population) today.
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Hi Leon, I have to disagree here...Heritage just had several examples, prices were strong, and last night in LOTG, a 2.5 sold for over $13k. I thought that was a very strong price.
Also, someone mentioned Jeter's SP Rookie...It's definitely come down since the peak earlier this year (like most modern cards, including Jordan), but Modern rose significantly, peaked, then came down and have settled well above where they were a few years ago. Re: blue chip vintage (T206 HOFers/rare backs, 33 Goudey Ruths, Cracker Jacks, etc, etc), well they've only gone up and up... Last edited by MVSNYC; 11-28-2021 at 10:45 PM. |
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You think there are many 1986 fleer basketball cases in closests? Lol. I’d tell you to stick to prewar but you say dumb crap about that market as well. These aren’t 1986 topps baseball cases.
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People have listed a lot more than two examples. Your statement was BS. You were wrong just stfu.
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It is not a matter of who is right or not but more about us all being informed and better understanding of the trends to help us each make better collection and/or investment decisions
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With Glyn it is all about the cash and being an AH pick POS that hasn't made a helpful post on here in years. He is proof if a person needs a card they would buy it from anyone no matter how horrible of person they buying it from is. He does provide humor if you find him calling good people a liar or scammer and when he is proven wrong he just disappears from the forum for a while instead of manning up and apologizeing. If anyone is bored just check out is posting history it is beyond amazing how big a AH he is on here.
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The Green Cobb prices in the Heritage November auctions were a little soft but it’s probably because there were eight of them offered and many were in the 2-3 range, i.e., saturation. Agreed that the LOTG Green Cobb 2.5 price was strong. Overall I think Green Cobb prices have been pretty stable after an incredible multi-year run.
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What a miserable way to go around life. * I should add Glyn and I get along very well in person. But sometimes on the board I am not so sure. .
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What I have seen is a trend toward AH purchases. Of my own purchases, 2-3 years ago, I found the majority (probably 75%) of the cards that I was interested in on eBay or the BST. Since the 2021 run-up, finding cards for my collection from these sources has almost dried up (especially eBay, but also BST to some extent). Now I use the AH's for about 75% of my cards. Purchases of the cards from the AH's have "cost me more", so looking at the price numbers, most of my purchases are certainly up from 2 years ago, but most if not all of my "new" cards from AH purchases are still at Jan-April 2021 prices. I have not seen any drop here, to the point that I have had to ALTER my collecting plans.
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When you say you put him on your ignore list, is that an actual function of this forum, or are you just consciously ignoring him? If it is an actual function, I would really appreciate it if you could show me how to do that.
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Click on his username, and select View Public Profile. That will take you to his profile page. Under his avatar is a dropdown menu that says User Lists, from there select Add to Ignore List, then click Yes.
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Not that I am doing that but always good to learn about that type of functionality
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I just assume he's a bad drunk. I don't know anyone that pissed off at the world everyday in the middle of the afternoon except for some alcoholics.
Maybe time to switch gears and try some of the leafy green stuff instead. Last edited by Snapolit1; 11-29-2021 at 03:02 PM. |
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Compared to the 1952 Topps Mantle, there's ample evidence that green Cobb is much more rare, as expected. 970 Cobbs compared to 1806 Mantles in the PSA record. I'd bet there's more demand for 52 Mantle but maybe demand for Cobb is finally working on that gap. Either way, there's a strong case to be made that it was undervalued pre-pandemic and likely still is.
As for volatility, the good news is those of us who migrated from crypto were looking for a safe haven in the Hobby. I can't speak for the firms that formed in 2020 and started buying up Hobby standards from all sports, but I'm sure they will look to manipulate the market just like they do with bitcoin. The key will be recognizing when the sell-offs take place. It seemed like one took place last summer but I really wouldn't know.
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You sound like a complete prick and then when I read about what others have to say about you, it appears I’m correct. Appears you don’t have many friends here. Please follow the advice of others and just go away.
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571 is the Cobb number I got from SGC database, compared to 569 for Mantle. So that bumps the overall gross ratio up to nearly 2:1 in favor of surviving Mantles vs. Cobbs, 2375 to 1541. Still impossible to ever know the real numbers I suppose
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How many collectors do you know with raw 1952 T Mantles vs. with raw T206 Cobb green portraits? In my admittedly small circle I know of several collectors with raw T206 sets and only one with a raw 1952T Mantle.
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The last Heritage auction had a 1949 Bowman Paige PSA 8 go for $30.k - Wowzer! And it was centered between 65/35 and 60/40 side/side. And with slight brown toning. Elevator up !
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I wonder how many of those Cobbs were cracked out of cases. It seems (to me, at least) more likely than a '52 Mantle getting sprung from plastic prison.
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To be fair, this reply of yours wasn't much nicer.
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That would be a fair assessment. Anywho, I'm over it. I guess that's just how good ol' Glyn Parson speaks. Moving on back to the subject of cards...
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The e93 Cobb I wanted on REA has decidedly NOT gone down in price. Above where I was hoping it would end with 6 days to go. Sigh.
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No showing of any dips in pricing to buy
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Pot, meet kettle.
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I rarely sell anything, but in looking to help pay for rotator cuff surgery this summer, I put up a pretty nicely centered PSA 4 Nolan Ryan rookie card for sale. In the post I showed the last group of sales for PSA 4s, which was basically these amounts...
Screen-Shot-2021-11-30-at-6.36.17-PM.jpg The offers were lower than I wanted, so I decided to hold onto it. For the heck of it, I recently checked what PSA 4s are going for these days, and I had to take the elevator to the basement... Screen-Shot-2021-11-30-at-6.36.38-PM.jpg That's a steep decline. Yowza!!!!
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I just tell it like it is and if you don’t like that I truly don’t care. Not here to massage your fragile egos. After my health concerns I truly quit caring what fools and idiots think of me.
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I think you are a complete AH on a good day but also sincerely hope you have completely recovered from your battle with Lyme Disease. It took a very good friend of mine.
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