Asking Prices on the BST

Flintboy · #1 11-27-2021, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I read the title of this thread and got all excited. I was hoping it meant something else.

My biggest pet peeve on the BST is when someone lists something for sale, but doesn't post an asking price - instead puts something like "make me an offer" or "accepting offers." It's your item; post a price.

Exactly what he said!

FrankWakefield · #2 11-27-2021, 10:57 PM

Just maybe, a 'lister' (might not become a seller if no price is listed) is unsure of what price to suggest and wants some assurance with offers...

If a 'listing reader' (might not be a buyer because they don't want to make an offer) doesn't want to make an offer, then don't. But maybe don't take someone to task for not listing a price. Maybe just don't make an offer and move on... unless it's something you really want.

I have a few items that I'd list at what some would think is a high price.

Sometimes I have made offers fearful of offending the owner... and sometimes I don't make an offer because I don't want to offend them. I'm not being unresponsive to a listing because the seller didn't price it, but because I don't want to offend them. But you guys can not make offers for your own reasons.

And... I've sometimes felt that people who say it's yours, you price it if you want to sell it.... I've felt that they're just bullying me, or whoever the seller was.

So.... I think listing a sell price is best practice; but folks should calm down a bit about taking offers.

Mark17 · #3 11-28-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Just maybe, a 'lister' (might not become a seller if no price is listed) is unsure of what price to suggest and wants some assurance with offers...

If a 'listing reader' (might not be a buyer because they don't want to make an offer) doesn't want to make an offer, then don't. But maybe don't take someone to task for not listing a price. Maybe just don't make an offer and move on... unless it's something you really want.

I have a few items that I'd list at what some would think is a high price.

Sometimes I have made offers fearful of offending the owner... and sometimes I don't make an offer because I don't want to offend them. I'm not being unresponsive to a listing because the seller didn't price it, but because I don't want to offend them. But you guys can not make offers for your own reasons.

And... I've sometimes felt that people who say it's yours, you price it if you want to sell it.... I've felt that they're just bullying me, or whoever the seller was.

So.... I think listing a sell price is best practice; but folks should calm down a bit about taking offers.

+1

Agreeing on a price is a dance between buyer and seller. Seller wants the biggest number he can reasonably get, buyer wants the smallest. Who begins the dance really makes no difference. If you don't want to play, don't.

In the past month I've seen posts by 2 members who had items I found interesting. Neither posted an asking price. I made an offer on one, it was accepted with no dickering, and the purchase was fast and successful. On the other, I made an offer that was rejected. Simple.

I find it a little amusing that people get irritated when the negotiations don't unfold in some prescribed sequence.

Eric72 · #4 11-28-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Maybe just don't make an offer and move on... unless it's something you really want...

That's the scenario upon which "listers" rely, is it not? Someone who "really wants" that particular item will seek out the lister. In so doing, they have already begun to negotiate from a position of weakness.

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Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

...I've sometimes felt that people who say it's yours, you price it if you want to sell it.... I've felt that they're just bullying me, or whoever the seller was...

Interesting perspective. Personally, I feel "listers" are "bullying" potential buyers with their "accepting offers" method of halfheartedly posting an item for sale. The economic term for such behavior is perfect price discrimination. This tactic is utilized elsewhere; however, it is most commonly associated with used car dealers.

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In short, some collectors seek to milk every last penny out of deal. Others place a higher priority on things such as their time, the community, or personal enjoyment.

Such is life...it takes all sorts of people to make the world go 'round.

Republicaninmass · #5 11-28-2021, 10:43 AM

I observed people at a show yesterday.

Internet was slow

They'd look at cards, and say "just let me go see what its worth " and go outside to research. Many of them used psa market price or whatever.

I kept my mouth shut, but wanted to say "it worth what anyone will pay"

I've seen the sickening "bought mantle 2 days ago on Ebay. Now its double on n54" bst threads. I dont get it, but I simply pass by.

Its impossible these cards have more value than anyone could have bid last week. Assuming listed in the right category, proper title, 7 day auction, etc. Nothing has changed! Maybe fomo since one more sold, although it's the same one! I cant buy the "trusted seller" unless again it's obviously a scam. People buying washed out cards, having it graded altered, and doubling the price is ludicrous. The card sold for an altered price, not that of a reprint or fake.

Anyhow that's why I like signed cards and variations. Aside from the obvious, they truly are rare, and usually 100x more rare than their unsigned counterparts. The thrill for me is in the chase.

Leon · #6 11-28-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I observed people at a show yesterday.

Internet was slow

They'd look at cards, and say "just let me go see what its worth " and go outside to research. Many of them used psa market price or whatever.

I kept my mouth shut, but wanted to say "it worth what anyone will pay"

I've seen the sickening "bought mantle 2 days ago on Ebay. Now its double on n54" bst threads. I dont get it, but I simply pass by.

Its impossible these cards have more value than anyone could have bid last week. Assuming listed in the right category, proper title, 7 day auction, etc. Nothing has changed! Maybe fomo since one more sold, although it's the same one! I cant buy the "trusted seller" unless again it's obviously a scam. People buying washed out cards, having it graded altered, and doubling the price is ludicrous. The card sold for an altered price, not that of a reprint or fake.

Anyhow that's why I like signed cards and variations. Aside from the obvious, they truly are rare, and usually 100x more rare than their unsigned counterparts. The thrill for me is in the chase.

If I believed even half of those signatures on cards were real I might be interested.
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Fred · #7 11-28-2021, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

If I believed even half of those signatures on cards were real I might be interested.
.

With my luck, I'd get the wrong half...

At this point in time I'm shying away from a lot of signatures, especially signed cards (like T206 and '33 Goudey's). I'm to the point that I'm having a difficult time trusting contracts/documents.

What's sad is that some of those signed cards are probably authentic but with the state of this mess we call a hobby, it'll always be in the back of your mind that some butthead in Ohio inked it.

Leon · #8 11-28-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

With my luck, I'd get the wrong half...

At this point in time I'm shying away from a lot of signatures, especially signed cards (like T206 and '33 Goudey's). I'm to the point that I'm having a difficult time trusting contracts/documents.

What's sad is that some of those signed cards are probably authentic but with the state of this mess we call a hobby, it'll always be in the back of your mind that some butthead in Ohio inked it.

As many have said, if you get a miss graded card you still have a card. Not so much with authenticity of signatures. I still think most of the government document types are real...and if I collected signatures there would have to be great provenance such as a picture of whomever signing the item in question.

I have been told this signature is probably real but not sure if I care, unless I go to sell it

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