BST Flippers

[Arazi4442]

I guess it depends on how you view the N54 BST. Is it a marketplace or is it a forum for like minded collectors to get together and exchange cards, memorabilia, etc. I would like to think it’s the second but with so much money in the hobby now, that’s probably naive to wish for. The answer to all your questions is 💰

[Leon]

I think the BST is both a marketplace and a community. If I see a card listed for $100 and I feel it's worth $300 I will buy it and flip it. Most times those buys are for my collection though. And if I tell someone something is for my collection it's true and I won't be flipping it anytime soon. If someone gives someone their asking price then what's the big deal? Knowledge is king.

BTW, I have had the ole crying ,weeping issue before where a member said he didn't mean to sell me a 30k card...cried and whined to undo the deal and said he was keeping it and would die with it. But for some reason he had me send the card to REA and I got a check from them (many years ago now). I won't ever trust him again.

edited to say, after more reflection, I would actually trust the person in my situation again. I think he had some very serious personal issues going on at the time. He's a good guy...
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[jingram058]

The thing is this, if I was a seller (which I most definitely am not), and I negotiate a deal whereby I am helping someone out, for whatever their reason in their collecting, and they turn around and flip, then I would not be annoyed, I would be downright pissed. If I sold and no special deal, and someone bought it and then flipped, that's on me.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by jingram058

The thing is this, if I was a seller (which I most definitely am not), and I negotiate a deal whereby I am helping someone out, for whatever their reason in their collecting, and they turn around and flip, then I would not be annoyed, I would be downright pissed. If I sold and no special deal, and someone bought it and then flipped, that's on me.

Agreed. Members shouldn't by lying to each other in order to make a profit. If that's they way they do business, they should take their deceitful immaturity someplace else. There are plenty of online cesspools for that sort of behavior.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

If I'm negotiating I usually preface the negotiation with "I'm buying for resale." If I am just paying someone's asking price I just pay.

[Mark17]

Don't sell a card for less money than you are comfortable with. After you make the sale, let go of it physically and emotionally. What happens to it from then on shouldn't be the least bit your concern.

When you sell a card, you also sell the rights to the buyer, for him to do whatever he wants with it.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Don't sell a card for less money than you are comfortable with. After you make the sale, let go of it physically and emotionally. What happens to it from then on shouldn't be the least bit your concern.

When you sell a card, you also sell the rights to the buyer, for him to do whatever he wants with it.

+1 Agreed

And as usual Leon has some great cards to post

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Don't sell a card for less money than you are comfortable with. After you make the sale, let go of it physically and emotionally. What happens to it from then on shouldn't be the least bit your concern.

When you sell a card, you also sell the rights to the buyer, for him to do whatever he wants with it.

100 percent.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think the BST is both a marketplace and a community. If I see a card listed for $100 and I feel it's worth $300 I will buy it and flip it. Most times those buys are for my collection though. And if I tell someone something is for my collection it's true and I won't be flipping it anytime soon. If someone gives someone their asking price then what's the big deal? Knowledge is king.

BTW, I have had the ole crying ,weeping issue before where a member said he didn't mean to sell me a 30k card...cried and whined to undo the deal and said he was keeping it and would die with it. But for some reason he had me send the card to REA and I got a check from them (many years ago now). I won't ever trust him again.
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That would turn me off for future transactions too. Empathy is not a strong attribute of mine. I'd be more apt to reverse a deal if the seller were honest with me. "Hey, I didn't do my research and screwed up. Any chance I can refund you and make it up in a future transaction?"

[Exhibitman]

I try hard not to personalize a transaction nor commoditize a relationship. I don't care if you want it for your collection, have a personal connection, etc.: that's very nice, but not a basis for a discount. On the buying side, I also don't care if you've had it for a long time, have more than my offer into it, etc. We reach a deal or we don't based on item value. And once the card changes hands the recipient is free to sell it for whatever he wants. No buyer or seller remorse allowed, except in the abstract (I sold a W530 Wagner some years ago for <10% of what one went for in Heritage this weekend. D'oh! But the deal was still fair and free when made).

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

What some are describing is why I don't care if you want it for your collection, have a personal connection, etc. On the buying side, I also don't care if you've had it for a long time, have more than my offer into it, etc. We reach a deal or we don't. Once the card changes hands the recipient is free to sell it for whatever he wants. No regrets allowed.

I try hard not to personalize a transaction nor commoditize a relationship.

Exactly. When someone tries to get an item for a lower price because it's needed for his collection, my thought is, okay, you're building a collection by buying things. So, why is that deserving of a discount from me?

If you're selling puppies, yes, you want them to go to good homes, and not end up in a laboratory to be experimented on. But collectibles - when you sell something, let it go.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Exactly. When someone tries to get an item for a lower price because it's needed for his collection, my thought is, okay, you're building a collection by buying things. So, why is that deserving of a discount from me?

If you're selling puppies, yes, you want them to go to good homes, and not end up in a laboratory to be experimented on. But collectibles - when you sell something, let it go.

I've always thought that telling me how much you want the card for your PC is a good reason for me to hang tough or even raise the price there, Smeagol.

[G1911]

Personally, the only time I've sold cards that aren't dupes is when another hobbyist does the "I need it for my collection" angle (of course doing due diligence and be sure of its truth). If the card will mean more to them than me, I let them have it. As often as not, I don't even charge and just mail them the card for nothing. I'd like to think we reap what we sow, and I know I've been the beneficiary of this many times, securing cards not really on the market for a fair price (or sometimes even less than fair) because the seller knows I am passionate about that set and the card has great significance to me. Treating this hobby as a vehicle for money is, I think, not fun and ruins the magic. I prefer to try and enjoy it as a hobby and pay it forward and help fellow hobbyists when I can. It's been more than repaid in kind, and I think this type of approach to selling and trading and giving is much preferable to trying to shake loose every penny I could get from another collector. It's a much happier place when true collectors are helping each other and rooting for each other rather than trying to exploit every dollar. I'd rather leave bucks on the table and collect happy than take every scrap off the table and worry about how much my collection is worth.

But then again, I guess I'm old school and I haven't made a penny off this hobby (quite the opposite, in fact).