Were the T210's actually a 1910 issue or were they issued in 1911?

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I just reviewed this thread a little more carefully and see that there is a reference in posts #29 and 30 that points to a coupon and notations for distribution of cabinet size cards. Just to be clear, that coupon is for T3 cabinets, not H801-7, and the notations relate to T3 and T9.

I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification on that. I think of Turkey Red with T3's, but they are also connected to Old Mill and Fez.

So that throws out the journal having any reference to H801-7 or T210, from my understanding. That lands back to H801-7 being packed with cases of Old Mill cigarettes for stores in the regions that distributed those series. From the newspaper article above, we know that an Old Mill representative also handed some out late in 1910 after they were distributed "some time ago." That helps to explain their rarity. One could assume the cases that contained H801-7 also contained T210, that would seem to make sense.

[Pat R]

I also didn't associate the Old Mill coupon with the T3's.

Here are a couple of pages from the journal on the Turkey Reds. It looks like you could only get the T3's through the mail in the beginning but later on (series 2 maybe) they also came in the 250 and 500 count cigarette packaging.

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[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I also didn't associate the Old Mill coupon with the T3's.

Here are a couple of pages from the journal on the Turkey Reds. It looks like you could only get the T3's through the mail in the beginning but later on (series 2 maybe) they also came in the 250 and 500 count cigarette packaging.

Thanks for sharing. Interesting, but not surprising that the Turkey Red and Old Mill T3 coupons generally line up in regards to packing, shipping, and discontinued dates. I would also think the 4/26/10 date aligns with series 2 as 51-76 carried over from series 1. The coupon mentioned 5/1/10, a later date than ball players, for athletes. The athletes were probably overlapped on the backs to increase how many they could move, since they would have been less popular. Possibly the store displays in the cartons had the ad backs, just a guess. It's neat to compare the Turkey Red ad backs with the H801-7 backs. The Turkey Red ad backs and no offer backs are probably connected somehow towards the end of production as well. I would assume you could request series 1 through the end and those population numbers are higher, I would have to check though. I think when Turkey Red began shipping the "college cards" on 7/21/10 that could be an approximate ballpark date for when the H801-7 began shipping for Old Mill to the designated regions in that set.

It's a rabbit hole.