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Old 11-06-2021, 06:22 PM
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They are up like 300% on speculation sell the rumor, buy the news type of event.
I agree. I am a big fan of Minoso, think he was underrated for decades, but his cards have been trading like he already got into the HOF.

Just look at a mid-grade (PSA 5) '52 Bowman. Gone up from ~$60 to ~$300 in just over a year. 400% is crazier than the background craziness that has happened during the pandemic.
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I think Gil Hodges has a little more room to grow, but not much.
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Old 11-06-2021, 07:00 PM
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I am actually most interested to see where his 1945 Cuban League “Rookie” would go if he makes it and whether it will pull up the rest of the Caramelo Deportivo set
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Old 11-06-2021, 07:35 PM
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Minnie should have gotten in years ago. I'm always amazed when someone argues against his induction, because they clearly have no clue about baseball statistics. I would have figured a basic knowledge about baseball history and stats would be a requirement for voters, but that clearly isn't the case. Bill James, who really knows stats, calls him the best eligible player outside of Cooperstown. I've been stockpiling Minnie's cards for years, and I will celebrate big time when his day in the sun finally arrives, which I'm confident it will.
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Minoso has gone from bargain to not a bargain pretty quick.

His Bowman rookie has 2 versions, one with a creamy off-white border and a muddied image, and one with a bight white border stock and a clear image. The later looks far better.
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I agree. Small bump at most by this point. Most of his gains have already been priced in. Anyone paying attention has been expecting this induction, so a lot of speculators have been buying his cards already. I wouldn't anticipate another huge jump in prices. But it would be cool to see.
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I agree. Small bump at most by this point. Most of his gains have already been priced in. Anyone paying attention has been expecting this induction, so a lot of speculators have been buying his cards already. I wouldn't anticipate another huge jump in prices. But it would be cool to see.
Agreed.
Every since the Negro League and other league were announced to being added/ recognized as MLB stats those cards/players started to go up in price and add it to the prices surges in our collection I think the prices are already baked in.
As a result if any of these players get in I think the spike for there cards would be no more than 10 to 15%
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I just listened to the Building the Ballot: Golden Days ERA podcast today specifically about the negro league players and he had on Eric Chalek to discuss MLE (major league equivalent) of the Negro League stats. I would recommend a listen to learn more about how these players are being analyzed. It is important to consider that we still do not have complete information (box scores), but if I heard this correctly they are using an 80% factor in stats from NLB to calculate WAR. In addition as pointed out many players were stuck in the minors even though it was clear they would have competed immediately.

As for competition, he felt the pitchers that were already in are probably are the right ones to get in, but several hitters (mostly the SS, CF or catchers) are the best players to consider for the HOF with certain exceptions.
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I'm always amazed when someone argues against his induction, because they clearly have no clue about baseball statistics.
You don't have to be amazed anew, because I won't argue against his induction, but Minnie's HoF case hardly rests solidly on his career "statistics". His 11-year run (1951-1961) was excellent, but doesn't create a lay-down hand. The fact that his early (pre-1951) years were diminished due to the lingering color barrier, combined with his role integrating baseball and the Chicago White Sox, makes him an attractive candidate and will hopefully get him in shortly.

Orestes "Minnie" Minoso. "The Cuban Comet". "Mr. White Sox". Left fielder for the Chicago White Sox in 1951-1957, 1960-1961, 1964, 1976, and 1980. In 1958, first black player to play for the Chicago White Sox. Career .387 OBP. 2,110 hits and 195 home runs in 20 MLB seasons. 9-time All-Star. 3-time Gold Glove. 3-time AL stolen base leader. Chicago White Sox #9 Retired. Also starred for the New York Cubans in the Negro Leagues. First Black Cuban in MLB.

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