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11-05-2021, 05:08 PM
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The overview committee was tasked with an impossible task, since the early era category covers such a long period of time. It is ludicrous that there are not multiple era committees from this pre -1950 time frame. My worst fears have materialized with this 10 player ballot. 19th century players have been basically omitted from the ballot. Dahlen is really a 19th-20th century crossover player. I am happy that the Negro leagues/players are now considered major league. I am not happy that 7 Negro league players are on a 10 candidate ballot ( I realize Fowler was pre Negro leagues). This is not meant as a racist statement because that's not what it is. It is just historically wrong to deemphasize 19th century players. Negro league players were elected in a special election in 2006. 19th century players have never had that consideration. I just feel that the space that was held by 19th century players is being filled by Negro league players now. Again, I'm all in favor of recognizing Negro league players, but not at the expense of 19th century players. Unfortunately, interest in the players of 19th century baseball is small at this point, and there is no movement to change that. They're just not in vogue today. One final point. Leaving Doc Adams off the ballot is like leaving George Washington off a list of American presidents. And Allie Reynolds? Wow!
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11-05-2021, 06:45 PM
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Dahlen is credited with 75.2 WAR. If a shortstop in New York did that today, he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer without question and people would complain if he didn't get all of the votes. Don't think so? Just ask Derek Jeter and his 71.9 WAR and 99.7% vote total. The focus was the one person who didn't vote for him, yet people are okay with a better player who retired 110 years ago not being in at all? Insane.
If Dahlen doesn't get in, the system is broken* *It's broken already because this ballot is awful and it's not scheduled to meet for ten more years!
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11-05-2021, 07:00 PM
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I support Buck O'Neill, more as a pioneer than as a player.
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11-05-2021, 07:07 PM
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What's the composition of the committee that will be voting?
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11-05-2021, 07:38 PM
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Hof
Bad Bill Dahlen, all the way!- Trent King
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11-05-2021, 08:02 PM
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Along with 1954 Globe Printing Blossom Dairy cards from the estate of Bill Pope as well as an album with a 1994 reunion of Negro League players (same estate), this is my favorite Negro League item. It was wonderful to shake hands with O'Neil. His is also a rare autograph I have outside of Manny Sanguillen and J Bob "Battleship" Kelly (NHL). Oh, yes. I am in Pittsburgh, on the NHL side I have Lemieux's signature and I refuse to attend Pirate games because of Nutting.
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11-05-2021, 08:14 PM
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With everything Buck O’Neal did for baseball, he is a clear no brained to get in.
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11-05-2021, 09:02 PM
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