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Old 10-30-2021, 06:34 PM
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But if those players still existed they would destroy the shift...
Hit & run would have no effect on the shift. And a bunt against the shift is a win for the defense - why do you think teams don't do it? Also, it's not exactly easy to bunt 98mph.
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Old 10-31-2021, 12:03 AM
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Hit & run would have no effect on the shift. And a bunt against the shift is a win for the defense - why do you think teams don't do it? Also, it's not exactly easy to bunt 98mph.
Hit and run would have an effect if they got a hit...

A bunt single (or double) against the shift is a far better outcome than an out. I think teams don't do it for various reasons, not the least of which is that the average "hitter" these days can't hit really that well.

It's also hard to get a hit off 98 mph, but these guys are (in theory) professional hitters.
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Old 10-31-2021, 12:39 AM
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Hit and run would have an effect if they got a hit...

A bunt single (or double) against the shift is a far better outcome than an out. I think teams don't do it for various reasons, not the least of which is that the average "hitter" these days can't hit really that well.

It's also hard to get a hit off 98 mph, but these guys are (in theory) professional hitters.
Lemme ask you - do you really, truly believe that you've figured out the solution but none of the professional folks have considered your ideas?

The whole point of the shift is that it makes hits significantly more difficult to get. It's not like you can just "hit away from the shift". For one thing, that's extremely difficult since teams pitch to force guys to hit into the shift. Bunting is the same thing.

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Lemme ask you - do you really, truly believe that you've figured out the solution but none of the professional folks have considered your ideas?
Yes I do.

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Hit & run would have no effect on the shift.
The best part was always listening to announcers foaming at the mouth screaming "see they stayed out of the double play so it's the best thing evererer" when someone hit a typical sad little grounder on a hit & run.

Not even considering the obvious fact that if you weren't forcing the guy to swing at anything, he wouldn't have to be helplessly slapping those grounders to begin with. It was like even lifelong baseball minds were powerless to realize that you weren't getting the same result from the hitter as a normal approach and cut.

The only worse play was the suicide squeeze. Which of course was also beloved.
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