T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Ryan

Does that Pirate Tinker complete your Tobacco card run of the Bat Off Shoulder image ?.

Sorry Just seeing this. My t215 pirate is Chance batting. I have a complete “t206” tinker bat off run, but I do need t214, t215-2 and t215 pirate (I think tinker bat off comes in those)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Sorry Just seeing this. My t215 pirate is Chance batting. I have a complete “t206” tinker bat off run, but I do need t214, t215-2 and t215 pirate (I think tinker bat off comes in those)

Ryan

Don't mind me, we just returned from a vacation in the town of Jim Thorpe in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.
While we were up there, I checked-out what was happening on Net54 and I saw your post of your Pirate card on my
cell phone.

Looking at the small image on my phone, I mistook it for "Tinker". Either that or my mind reminded me of your great
Tinker (bat off shoulder) run. Anyway, now that I am home, and looking at my Lap-Top screen, I clearly see that your
Pirate card is Chance

I appreciate you correcting me.

Take care my friend,

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[tedzan]

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...... Piedmont ...... Sweet Caporal ..... Polar Bear_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Sovereign ........... Hindu ........ American Beauty


Following up from Post #1354 with American Caramel (E90-1) set....here are the two Wagner cards from my set.

Aesthetically speaking (in my opinion), these two cards of Wagner are the all-time best images of him in any BB card issue.
Especially, the throwing pose with the sunset in the distance. It is lithography at it's best.


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Although these images are also found on other E-card sets (and the T216 sets), I chose to display the E90-1 Wagner's,
since their images are usually of a higher quality than on the other sets.


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[parkerj33]

Hey Ted.

In another thread you posted a pic of 12 150-only cards, and seemed to imply that they must have been on the same sheet. Maybe I misread your implication, but I don't see how you can conclude that because there were 11 150-only cards that weren't extended into the 150/350 series, that they then must have been on the same sheet.

Here is my reasoning: ATC puts together ~150 (156) cards for the first series....They are randomly organized into sheets (maybe 12 wide, maybe not....) for printing and then for back "assignment".

Turns out that out of those ~150, a few errors, mistakes and problems arise...guys die, guys leave the big leagues, Plank/wagner, Magie/Magee, etc. When they laid out the original sheets in april 1909, they would have had no idea which random images would need to later be excised....

So my contention, is that when they decided to expand to 350 cards...they just took the first ~12 or so from the proposed new sheets and inserted them into the existing sheets as replacements for the non-extended subjects. maybe they had 9 to replace, but since they had sheets of 12, they replaced 12 people from the 150series sheet layouts.

respectfully, jim.

[tedzan]

Hi Jim

I'm not quite sure of the point you are making. Let me think about it before I respond. I'm away right now, and I'll try to give you an answer later today.

I'm guessing that you re referring to this illustration of mine ?

150-only Series

American Lithographic introduced the T206 set during the Spring of 1909 by printing these 12 cards then shipped them to T-Factory's____




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[parkerj33]

yes, my point was that i think you were implying that since those 12 were discontinued, then they must have been on the same sheet together. I don't think that ALC was "lucky" enough in laying out the sheets initially, to fortuitously group all the subjects that eventually had reason to be discontinued, when those reasons would not have been known at the time the sheets were laid out.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Hey Ted.

In another thread you posted a pic of 12 150-only cards, and seemed to imply that they must have been on the same sheet. Maybe I misread your implication, but I don't see how you can conclude that because there were 11 150-only cards that weren't extended into the 150/350 series, that they then must have been on the same sheet.

Here is my reasoning: ATC puts together ~150 (156) cards for the first series....They are randomly organized into sheets (maybe 12 wide, maybe not....) for printing and then for back "assignment".

Turns out that out of those ~150, a few errors, mistakes and problems arise...guys die, guys leave the big leagues, Plank/wagner, Magie/Magee, etc. When they laid out the original sheets in april 1909, they would have had no idea which random images would need to later be excised....

So my contention, is that when they decided to expand to 350 cards...they just took the first ~12 or so from the proposed new sheets and inserted them into the existing sheets as replacements for the non-extended subjects. maybe they had 9 to replace, but since they had sheets of 12, they replaced 12 people from the 150series sheet layouts.

respectfully, jim.

Hi Jim.....excuse my delay in responding, as we had a 5-hour power failure last night.

American Litho (ALC) started planning the T206 designs for the 150 Series in 1908-09. But started their presses rolling with just these 12 subjects (in post #1359) in Spring of 1909.

Throughout the remainder of 1909, ALC cranked out 144 more 150 Series subjects. These little Tobacco cards became so popular, that ALC extended many of them into 1910, when
they started printing the 350 Series cards. ALC continued printing many of this group of 144 cards, but with PIEDMONT 350, SOVEREIGN 350, SWEET CAP 350, etc. on their backs.

I'm not sure that I have answered your question. If not, I'll try again.


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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Jim.....excuse my delay in responding, as we had a 5-hour power failure last night.

American Litho (ALC) started planning the T206 designs for the 150 Series in 1908-09. But started their presses rolling with just these 12 subjects (in post #1359) in Spring of 1909.

Throughout the remainder of 1909, ALC cranked out 144 more 150 Series subjects. These little Tobacco cards became so popular, that ALC extended many of them into 1910, when
they started printing the 350 Series cards. ALC continued printing many of this group of 144 cards, but with PIEDMONT 350, SOVEREIGN 350, SWEET CAP 350, etc. on their backs.

I'm not sure that I have answered your question. If not, I'll try again.


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Ted, I disagree with this for many reasons but to keep it simple here's one, Wagner wasn't in the initial printing if he was he we be found with factory issued Piedmont 150's.

[parkerj33]

Ted, i am asking really, why do you think these 12 were the very first ones printed? What is the evidence to draw that conclusion?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Ted, i am asking really, why do you think these 12 were the very first ones printed? What is the evidence to draw that conclusion?

Jim

The evidence is only five T206 brands printed on the backs of the 150-only Series cards that distinguishes them from the 150/350 Series cards,
which were printed with an assortment of PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, SWEET CAPORAL backs, and EL PRINCIPE de GALES, HINDU, OLD MILL backs.
Of course....Plank and Wagner were only printed with PIEDMONT and SWEET CAPORAL.




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