Shoeless Joe Jackson Auto- Fake?

[SteveS]

I believe he signed/Xed the 1908 Greenville contract shortly before he got married. As his wife helped him with signatures by setting out an example for him to copy, it's possible that he was able to sign something by 1911.

However, I read that when he and his teammates went to a restaurant, he couldn't read the menu, so he would wait for everyone else to order and then choose the same as one of them. If he was that embarrassed to let his teammates know that he was illiterate, why would he let a photographer know that he needed his wife's help to sign his name? It's possible that he signed it outside of the photographer's presence, and then his wife or the photographer added the place and date (I don't believe for one second that he could have written that). But it seems that he signed his name only when he felt it was legally necessary. Why was this photo important enough for him to sign? Maybe because in his rookie year of 1911 he didn't want to disappoint his teammates and be the only one not to sign his picture. Of course all this is speculation and proves nothing other than it COULD be legit. An analysis proving that the ink has been there since 1911 would be a big positive. But with what we know now, I would hesitate to join either of the 100% sure sides.

[Carter08]

I apologize if I missed this but does anyone know the expected return time on a $300 express submission?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I apologize if I missed this but does anyone know the expected return time on a $300 express submission?

Ummm........wrong thread maybe?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I apologize if I missed this but does anyone know the expected return time on a $300 express submission?

It's about a one week turnaround right now. But as stated above, I believe you're posting in the wrong thread.

[bgar3]

This is from memory of something I owned about 30 years ago, but I had a composite of the team with head shots of all the players, including Jackson. I believe they were all in suits. I also believe there were signatures of each player under their image, in the composite, not live ink. Jackson’s had the distinctive E if I remember correctly. This is not meant to be anything more than an additional piece of information, that may be interesting to compare. Of course, I have no idea who may have signed the original for Jackson or any of the players, but I think they were meant to be autographs. Someone here may own it now or know how to find the image .

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I believe I'm familiar with that piece. If it's the one I'm thinking of, the "signature" was not in Jackson's hand. Again without seeing it, I'm just assuming we're referencing the same item.

[SteveS]

bgar3, is this it? It is from 1912, they are in suits, and it has facsimile autographs. It was really tough to locate, but ended up finding it listed on eBay (so you can buy it back if you want). Great memory you have, as it does have the distinctive "E." Not sure how well the rest of it matches up, but when his wife signed for him she didn't use that "E." So being from 1912, it does add to the mystery: https://www.ebay.com/itm/23393154896...ntid=425243949