Shoeless Joe Jackson Auto- Fake?

[drcy]

At $1.4 million, one could do expert ink analysis.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by drcy

At $1.4 million, one could do expert ink analysis.

Yeah, but that would really only help to prove it a fake if the ink was found to be something from after Jackson had passed away. Wouldn't prove he actually signed it, just that the ink may have been from when he was alive and could have signed it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Yeah, but that would really only help to prove it a fake if the ink was found to be something from after Jackson had passed away. Wouldn't prove he actually signed it, just that the ink may have been from when he was alive and could have signed it.

The writing on the photo dates it to 1911. I don't think anyone has suggested he himself signed it years later, or that that's even a possibility.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The writing on the photo dates it to 1911. I don't think anyone has suggested he himself signed it years later, or that that's even a possibility.

Wasn't sure if that is what David was referring to or not. But again, at best it could only confirm around when the writing occurred, and whether or not the signature and the rest of the writing were from the same ink/pen, and possibly the same or different times.

[drcy]

The point is no one does ink analysis on these autographs.

Ink analysis would determine if the ink's age is consistent with it being from 1911, and help identify a modern fake.

Normally it's time and cost-prohibitive, but this is a $1.4 million dollar autograph.

[SteveS]

Originally Posted by drcy

The point is no one does ink analysis on these autographs.

Ink analysis would determine if the ink's age is consistent with it being from 1911, and help identify a modern fake.

Normally it's time and cost-prohibitive, but this is a $1.4 million dollar autograph.

What is the process in doing an ink analysis? Does a tiny portion of the signature have to be marred in order to get a sample?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by drcy

The point is no one does ink analysis on these autographs.

Ink analysis would determine if the ink's age is consistent with it being from 1911, and help identify a modern fake.

Normally it's time and cost-prohibitive, but this is a $1.4 million dollar autograph.

I get you. Makes sense, just won't prove who signed the signature though.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by BobC

I get you. Makes sense, just won't prove who signed the signature though.

This is true. It is not handwriting analysis. But the age of the ink is no minor detail, and obviously can identify a later forgery.

There are two ways to date the ink 1) Chemical analysis which does not require any ink to be removed and 2) Judging the dryness of the ink, which requires and small bit to be removed.