New York - City of Losers

[Peter_Spaeth]

What's wrong with spending money to acquire free agents to try to win championships? If an owner is willing to do that, and it's within the rules, is he supposed to say, nah, I'd rather be like the Brewers??

[clydepepper]

As a Braves fan, I am more than pleased to see anyone take their turn as 'Looserville'- even though there's a book coming out next year on Atlanta's turn.

We sat through some terrible teams -especially right before Bobby Cox came back to stay.


The falcons still belong down there.



I'm sure Cleveland doesn't mind NY taking some of the 'guff' for a while either.


Off the subject, I wish there was a way for both the White Sox AND the Asstrolls could loose their current series.

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[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's wrong with spending money to acquire free agents to try to win championships? If an owner is willing to do that, and it's within the rules, is he supposed to say, nah, I'd rather be like the Brewers??

Nobody said they couldn't spend. Packs said they didn't win because of the boatload of money they DID lay out for AROD, Matsuey, Sabbathia, Tex, and AJ.

See NYers like to think they win like everyone else, but they don't because they can't win on their own, they MUST OVERSPEND to buy a title.


There is ZERO jealousy, I'd be jealous if their sports teams were all like the '27 Yankees, yes, then I'd be jealous for sure, but the past 20 years? Be jealous of what METS have been garbage, Knicks garbage, Jets trash, etc etc.

That's that NY arrogance they think we are jealous, ha ha....we are just enjoying how bad they suck!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Nobody said they couldn't spend. Packs said they didn't win because of the boatload of money they DID lay out for AROD, Matsuey, Sabbathia, Tex, and AJ.

See NYers like to think they win like everyone else, but they don't because they can't win on their own, they MUST OVERSPEND to buy a title.


There is ZERO jealousy, I'd be jealous if their sports teams were all like the '27 Yankees, yes, then I'd be jealous for sure, but the past 20 years? Be jealous of what METS have been garbage, Knicks garbage, Jets trash, etc etc.

That's that NY arrogance they think we are jealous, ha ha....we are just enjoying how bad they suck!

It seems hard to deny that it played an important role.

[Shoeless Moe]

...and arn't the Mets (3rd Highest Payroll and not even a .500 team over the past 5 seasons) still paying Bobby Bonilla who retired like 20 years ago.

I mean come on. The stupidity of NY, it never ends. It's hilarious!

[Peter_Spaeth]

The Mets can rot forever as payback for 1986 lol. Despite being a Sox fan though I've never truly hated the Yankees, too many admirable players.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

...and arn't the Mets (3rd Highest Payroll and not even a .500 team over the past 5 seasons) still paying Bobby Bonilla who retired like 20 years ago.

I mean come on. The stupidity of NY, it never ends. It's hilarious!

They are called deferred contracts, a lot of teams do it, the Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter. I guess Atlanta is stupid too?

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by Jim65

They are called deferred contracts, a lot of teams do it, the Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter. I guess Atlanta is stupid too?

Correct. In fact Bonilla is also getting deferred salary from the Baltimore Orioles.

The Mets owed him 5.9 million when they bought out the last year of his contract. The Mets and Bonilla worked out a deal where the he would defer the payment of the 5.9 million for 10 years. Then, the Mets would pay him 1.19 million every year for 20 years. While that sounds like a lot more than the 5.9 million, due to compound interest, etc, the 2 payment scenarios (the 5.9 million right away or the 1.19 million/year after 10 years) have the same value when calculated at 8% interest annually.

The market has increased an average of about 7.4% annually since 1/1/2000.

So, not a bad financial decision.

Mike

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by mikemb

Correct. In fact Bonilla is also getting deferred salary from the Baltimore Orioles.

The Mets owed him 5.9 million when they bought out the last year of his contract. The Mets and Bonilla worked out a deal where the he would defer the payment of the 5.9 million for 10 years. Then, the Mets would pay him 1.19 million every year for 20 years. While that sounds like a lot more than the 5.9 million, due to compound interest, etc, the 2 payment scenarios (the 5.9 million right away or the 1.19 million/year after 10 years) have the same value when calculated at 8% interest annually.

The market has increased an average of about 7.4% annually since 1/1/2000.

So, not a bad financial decision.

Mike

The money deferred by Bonilla allowed the Mets to trade for and pay Mike Hampton, who won the NLCS MVP and when Hampton signed in Colorado, the Mets received a compensation draft pick which they used to draft David Wright. Funny how things work out sometimes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim65

They are called deferred contracts, a lot of teams do it, the Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter. I guess Atlanta is stupid too?

The deferral was not a bad decision, but one could question signing him for all that money in the first place, no?

[Shoeless Moe]

Hey as long as Mets fans are happy about the financials of the deal rather then the performance of the player that's what matters.

Loveable Losers I guess.

Problem for both New York teams, that gap where they would outspend other teams by 3-4-5-6 times is now gone.

You got Boston, LA, Anaheim, etc., now willing to do the same.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The deferral was not a bad decision, but one could question signing him for all that money in the first place, no?

Bonilla's first 3 years with the Met were productive, 130 OPS+

The problem was bringing him back a 2nd time just to dump Mel Rojas.