New York - City of Losers

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Good is winning important games. One of the games Cole lost against Toronto could have meant the Yankees playing at home. And it is not harsh to expect your 36 million dollar pitcher to show up when it matters.

It's not realistic. Even the best pitchers lose and don't pitch well in big games sometimes. It's the nature of baseball.

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

It would be interesting to see stats on this. For example, stats sometimes don't verify people's perception about certain players being clutch hitters. In any case yeah for Yankees fans it would have been nice if Cole had pitched better in certain games, and I get the frustration. As a Sox fan I am glad he didn't but I still think he's a great pitcher.

[egri]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Would a high five with your glove on satisfy your literal analysis as long as one didn’t use his gloved hand?

And I know you are going to say that Jim Abbott couldn’t comply.

So long as five fingers are raised in some form, I think the spirit of the rule is met, whether or not the five fingers are obscured by a glove.

Originally Posted by frankbmd

You could then award a career Cy to any pitcher with seven babies.

If innings pitched continue their precipitous decline, before long outfielders will be making more throws each game than pitchers. I propose we retroactively award a Baby Cy to outfielder Gus Zernial, who had six home runs in three games commemorated on his 1952 Topps card (he hit a seventh the following day), and also to pitcher Larry Jansen, who is shown on his card holding up seven fingers--one for each of his children.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

Andy Pettite was pretty awful in Game 6 of the 2001 Series and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

[egri]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

...and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

In the 2004 ALCS as well. Just goes to show that even the great ones stumble sometimes.

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

Yep. All wins and losses count the same, just like all runs and runs surrendered in a game count the same, but some don't seem persuaded by that.

[packs]

Originally Posted by steve B

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

Obviously. You play the entire season to win in October, so if you don't win in October, what does it matter? I really don't see how anyone in the world would take solace in something like Gerrit Cole having a great May and then throwing 2 innings in a do or die game.

[frankbmd]

As a die hard Packer fan, I am more than willing to admit that Rodgers laid an egg (or maybe a dozen) in the Saints game.

Objective interpretations by Yankee fans can be harder to find, but not always.
The championship and salary data presented in this thread seems to cast a dim light on the truth of their feeling of entitlement to all the never ending championships that money can buy.

That's why in baseball my teams are the Rays and the Brewers. They don't feel entitled to any championships, but when the small market teams win, I jump for joy. BTW I rooted for the Cardinals last night even though I should be a Dodger homie.

[Shoeless Moe]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

and just hilarious NY's team are #2 & #3, and sitting home watching the playoffs. Well at least you have the Giants & Jets to look forward to now that baseball is over.

[Shoeless Moe]

Jets and Giants tied for worst-record in NFL since 2017


https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/jets...nfl-since-2017