New York - City of Losers

[packs]

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

He was quite good I thought in 2020 and his metrics were only down slightly from the Houston years. This year, definitely a notch down though he was still one of the few best pitchers in the league if a little inconsistent.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Bang the trashcan......slowly.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Beats me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

I guess if I was a Yankees fan I would be looking for excuses too but he wasn’t that good to begin with. BTW the trash cans benefit the hitters not the pitchers. Go Blue.


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[TUM301]

Well the trash cans do benefit the hitters but also very much the pitchers. Houston hits a couple bombs early and Cole is pitching with a 4 or 5 run lead in say, the 4`th inning. Big difference in approach when a pitcher of Cole`s ability has a lead to work with. Just my 2 cents. Go Sox !!

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

Isn't that how cheating is supposed to work? Who cheats to get worse? I'm talking about the sticky stuff. I didn't bring up the trash can.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Isn't that how cheating is supposed to work? Who cheats to get worse? I'm talking about the sticky stuff. I didn't bring up the trash can.

Someone else brought up the trash can.

I can honestly say that I've never heard allegations of Cole using the sticky stuff, but I admit that I don't follow baseball like I used to. If he's been rumored to have used it, I'll take your word for it.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Someone else brought up the trash can.



I can honestly say that I've never heard allegations of Cole using the sticky stuff, but I admit that I don't follow baseball like I used to. If he's been rumored to have used it, I'll take your word for it.

1st or 2nd in the Cy this year..so...I guess he's still kinda good....

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[packs]

Just one example of the sticky stuff covereage re: Cole

https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/...ff-speculation

Cole finished second in WAR among pitchers to Robbie Ray this year. Robbie Ray made 8 million dollars. Cole made 36 million dollars. It's not good enough to just be kinda good or even good. For 36 mil a year you need to be lights out. That is the expectation when you're being paid. If he didn't want that kind of microscope on him, he shouldn't have asked for 36 million a year. He couldn't get out of the third inning of a must win do or die game, he lost 2 out of his last 3 starts at the end of the season, and he gave up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings to end the year.

[Seven]

This might come off slightly biased at a Yankees fan but the fact that the Yankees are considered abject failures, because they don't win the World Series year in and year out is kind of ridiculous. Haven't had a losing season since the early 90's, have won 5 World Series trophies in the past 30 years. I have been able to see more than my fair share of Yankees success. While I wish this year turned out differently, and while I definitely have many gripes with how money is being allocated, and our current manager I can hardly complain about the results in my short lifetime.

I've been to many ballparks, I do not think our fans are remotely close to the worst in the sport. Philadelphia, and Sox fans can be brutal, but so can every fan base. Yes we have our obnoxious "27 Rings" group, but not everyone is like that and gross generalizations about the fan base aren't exactly accurate.

Cole has been a great pitcher for us. His metrics both this year and last year prove that. He's been battling a hamstring injury for the greater portion of the past month. These are not excuses, he didn't show up to an important game, and that's why we paid him the big bucks. But if I'm going to harass our best starter over the past two seasons for a couple of bad performances, than I'd just be ignorant. Good thing he will have the opportunity to prove himself next year. I did not think this team was healthy nor constructed in the right manner to win a World Series. I am hardly surprised by the results.

I cannot speak for the other teams. I have little interest outside of Baseball and Soccer though I suppose I support the New York Jets as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you what exactly is wrong with them.

[Shoeless Moe]

With THAT payroll year after year to win 1 WS in the last 20 years is pretty pathetic.

The Florida Marlins won their second World Series in 2003, with a payroll of just $48.8 million, the Yankees payroll in 2003..........$152.7 million.

A NY fan in denial, big surprise.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

With THAT payroll year after year to win 1 WS in the last 20 years is pretty pathetic.

The Florida Marlins won their second World Series in 2003, with a payroll of just $48.8 million, the Yankees payroll in 2003..........$152.7 million.

A NY fan in denial, big surprise.

Money does not buy you Championships. It helps a team get to the playoffs, but then it's a combination of a bit of talent, a bit of luck and a bit of timing. Denial would imply that I haven't accepted the Yankees not winning, and that's clearly not the case, they are not the Franchise they once were. I'm very grateful of all the success I've seen my team have in my lifetime, it's more than many get to see. If this is the end of the line for the Yankees winning then so be it, I am okay with that. The Sox played some great ball last night, Eovaldi really stepped up, pitched a great game. I don't think they go all the way, but they have great chemistry, and clearly feed off of one another. Good veteran leadership in that lockeroom as well. Cora has done a great job with that team.

I hope you have a good night, and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

[Shoeless Moe]

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

I feel like your missing a bigger city of losers.
Minneapolis (3 teams) 0 championships. To make things worse if you include the hockey team in St Paul that would be 4 teams and no championships.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

As for the Giants 2 Titles, yes I mentioned that earlier in the thread, 2 of NY 3 titles in the past 20 year, only 1 less then San Antonio who has 1 team, not 8.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

Why leave out Minneapolis?

Twins haven't won in 30 years
Timberwolves haven't won in 30 years (never)
Wild hasn't won in 20 years (never)
Vikings haven't won in 60 years (never)

I would love to have the history of the New York teams, personally.